Best explanation I heard yesterday on Brady vs Montana

[lamont]

Said that Montana was the greatest of his era and Brady is the greatest of his era. Today's more pass-oriented game with more restrictive defensive rules and QB protection just isn't the same game it was 25 years ago.

This is something I'll agree with.

Sammy Baugh was the greatest of his era
Johnny Unitas was the greatest of his era
Joe Montana was the greatest of his era
And now Tom Brady is the greatest of this era.

Pretty good QB Mount Rushmore

[The Federalist Engineer]

If Jim McMahon had not been destroyed physically, the bears would have won 3 or 4 Super Bowls. Further, placing the same premium value on QBs as today, Steve Young could not have been a backup for so long. The salary cap would not allow two marquee QBs

[BrunswickDawg]

I think your eras are too broad. I'd say Baugh, Unitas, Bradshaw, Montana, Elway, Brady.
Those almost hand the reigns of the GOAT title from one to the next.

[Todd4State]

I can agree with that RP.

[ShotgunDawg]

But Brady has 5 Super Bowls & Montana has 4 Super Bowls.

Sure the game has changed, but your always playing against teams that are playing under the same rules as you. Brady's 5th Super Bowl makes him the greatest eva

It is true that Montana was the best QB of his era, but Brady is the best QB of all eras.

[lamont]

If Jim McMahon had not been destroyed physically, the bears would have won 3 or 4 Super Bowls. Further, placing the same premium value on QBs as today, Steve Young could not have been a backup for so long. The salary cap would not allow two marquee QBs

One thing is for sure- there will never again be a group of defenses that existed in the 1980's. The Bears, Giants, and 49'ers put together some hellacious D's that absolutely destroyed people. Philly's wasn't too bad either under Buddy Ryan with Reggie White. That's another reason I've always factored Montana as the GOAT. 4 SB's in the 80's vs the defensive talent in the NFC was remarkable.

But different eras- different challenges

[lamont]

But Brady has 5 Super Bowls & Montana has 4 Super Bowls.

Sure the game has changed, but your always playing against teams that are playing under the same rules as you. Brady's 5th Super Bowl makes him the greatest eva

It is true that Montana was the best QB of his era, but Brady is the best QB of all eras.

That's not true

Bart Starr won 5 titles and Otto Graham won more than that. So Brady getting a 5th doesn't separate anything. Just makes him the best of his era

[confucius say]

Anybody not willing to say Brady is the goat at this point is either trolling or just likes another qb more than Brady. It's not even debatable anymore.

[lamont]

Anybody not willing to say Brady is the goat at this point is either trolling or just likes another qb more than Brady. It's not even debatable anymore.

Again- bullshit

Otto Graham took his team to 9 straight championship games- winning 7 titles. He is the most dominant QB in the history of the NFL. If you aren't willing to concede eras- then Otto Graham is the best QB in NFL history

[The Federalist Engineer]

One thing we can agree is that Trent Dilfer is still the worst QB to win a super bowl and Rex Grossman is still the worst QB to ever play in a super bowl, they are Era neutral.

[HSVDawg]

Again- bullshit

Otto Graham took his team to 9 straight championship games- winning 7 titles. He is the most dominant QB in the history of the NFL. If you aren't willing to concede eras- then Otto Graham is the best QB in NFL history

Only 3 of Graham's 7 titles were in the NFL. The other 4 were pre-merger in the AAFC. Just sayin.

ETA: The AAFC had a grand total of 8 teams. Pretty hard to equate 4 championships from an 8 team league with 4 Super Bowl victories in a 32 team league. Although Graham definitely was one of the all-time greats. There is no disputing that.

[Tbonewannabe]

One thing we can agree is that Trent Dilfer is still the worst QB to win a super bowl and Rex Grossman is still the worst QB to ever play in a super bowl, they are Era neutral.

This isn't theory, this is law.

[dawgday166]

If Jim McMahon had not been destroyed physically, the bears would have won 3 or 4 Super Bowls. Further, placing the same premium value on QBs as today, Steve Young could not have been a backup for so long. The salary cap would not allow two marquee QBs

Lol. Don't agree. Montana ate the 4-6 D for breakfast, as displayed when he went into Chicago in -28 degrees and howling winds to win 3rd NFC Championship 28 - 3. You blitz Joe and he'd kill you.

And ole Steve would have went and floundered somewhere else like a Tampa Bay where he had floundered badly prior to getting traded to San Fran.

[dawgday166]

I think your eras are too broad. I'd say Baugh, Unitas, Bradshaw, Montana, Elway, Brady.
Those almost hand the reigns of the GOAT title from one to the next.

Elway!! haha. He only won a SB cause he could hand off to Terrell Davis the whole game.

[Tbonewannabe]

Elway!! haha. He only won a SB cause he could hand off to Terrell Davis the whole game.

Elway was Dan Marino with a run game and defense.

[lamont]

Only 3 of Graham's 7 titles were in the NFL. The other 4 were pre-merger in the AAFC. Just sayin.

ETA: The AAFC had a grand total of 8 teams. Pretty hard to equate 4 championships from an 8 team league with 4 Super Bowl victories in a 32 team league. Although Graham definitely was one of the all-time greats. There is no disputing that.

The AAFC was the NFL before they gave it the NFL name

[HSVDawg]

The AAFC was the NFL before they gave it the NFL name

Did you completely gloss over the fact that it was an 8 team league?

[msstate7]

Montana threw a td pass 5.1% of passes
Brady throws a td pass 5.5% of passes

Brady has won 78% of his games
Montana won 71.3% of his games

Brady is 5/7 in Super Bowls
Montana is 5/5

Combined NFL MVP and super bowl MVP awards...

Brady = 7
Montana = 6

[msstate7]

Elway!! haha. He only won a SB cause he could hand off to Terrell Davis the whole game.

Hmmm... '99 much?

[HoopsDawg]

Situation, coaches, and support cast all play a major factor. No one can convince me that Marino and Elway aren't 2 of the greatest of all time.