Why Ole Miss should be afraid of coming NCAA sanctions

[WSOPdawg]

By NCAA by-laws you have to be a repeat offender for the death penalty to be on the table under normal major violations. Until we see a NOA that lists violations occurring after OCT 2016, then the COI will not consider the death penalty. The only time it has been discussed or used without the repeat offender tag is when major violations are mixed with a major scandal. Penn St, Baylor, Western Kentucky actually self imposed the death penalty in their case because it was so egregious.

Morehouse College was a different type of case as the coaches knowingly brought professional soccer players on the team and hide their identities and their was no institutional control, going as far as some not even realizing they had a soccer program to even check with their compliance. They disbanded soccer before the 2 year death penalty was handed out.

That's why Women's Basketball and Men's Track being placed on probation in late October, 2016, is so important, especially if the Network was caught in November/December, 2016, during the current recruiting cycle doing business as usual. This would arguably trigger the Repeat Offender status.

From above "Baylor was eligible for the "death penalty" since its men's tennis program was on probation for major violations;"

[Really Clark?]

That's why Women's Basketball and Men's Track being placed on probation in late October, 2016, is so important, especially if the Network was caught in November/December, 2016, during the current recruiting cycle doing business as usual. This would arguably trigger the Repeat Offender status.

From above "Baylor was eligible for the "death penalty" since its men's tennis program was on probation for major violations;"

That's correct. But if the rumors that the 2nd NOA has been received, then I have a hard time seeing anything after Oct '16 making its way on that one. If there is another NOA or if they have not finished with the second one, then maybe we have something. Until we see that second NOA though, it's all speculation. Many have heard of things going on this cycle still, just need to see it in the NOA

[sandwolf]

I see alot of people saying that they don't expect DP. Just curious to your reason. Is it because that is what you want but it would be too good to be true and you don't want to jinx it? Because as laid out in the original post, it is possible and I am feeling lately like it is more likely.

It is delusional to think that the death penalty is even a consideration based on what was in the first NOA. And for it to become a legitimate consideration, the amended NOA would have to be completely nuclear. They would need something like hard evidence of OM coaches actively working with a group of boosters to provide benefits to recruits or players (in other words, solid evidence of the network), or they would need for the Tunsil draft night fiasco to have lead them to hard evidence of a big pay for play scheme involving multiple players totaling large dollar amounts.......the allegations have to be eye popping.

The NCAA has enough to hammer OM, and I think that is exactly what they are going to do. But they aren't going to issue the death penalty to a school that isn't a repeat offender without hard evidence of widespread cheating throughout the program, and that is really hard to come by without subpoena power.

[lamont]

Except that Steve (who has been correct on this the entire time) has said a 2nd NOA is happening.

Elitedawgs stated this also

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

...without hard evidence

This is it. We all know it is happening, it is just whether or not they were smart enough to cover it up. I honestly think the NCAA does have hard evidence of this happening and they are about to go Negan on OM.

[Jarius]

As stated by Steve last week, a second NOA is not coming. It is an addendum to the first NOA. A second NOA would mean 2 different "trials" so to speak and that is not happening. He said that the addendum should come any day now and the punishment should be known by the start of football season. He also said that anyone who thinks a bowl ban isn't coming is an idiot.

[GTHOM]

I would be surprised if they got the death penalty. Not that they are not deserving but the NCAA has said that they would likely never give it again. In my opinion they are going to hit OM hard because they can make an example out of them and also to show everyone they still mean business, been a lot of talk about how bad they screwed their last investigations and the whole Penn St. deal up

[iPat09]

This is it. We all know it is happening, it is just whether or not they were smart enough to cover it up well enough. I honestly think the NCAA does have hard evidence of this happening and they are about to go Negan on OM.

You mean like this?

https://youtu.be/EtebQUwGNO0

[bulldog2488]

Except that Steve (who has been correct on this the entire time) has said a 2nd NOA is happening.

This is not to "nit-pick" but I think I've heard Steve say that there actually wouldn't be a 2nd NOA (which would imply a second investigation), but what would happen is that they would get an amended NOA because the investigation hasn't ended.

MODs you can delete my post! I just saw Jarius' post above.

[Saltydog]

changed his mind after his visit to UM only to return to Saban and beg for his spot back.......It was rumored that Saban told him to confess to the NCAA before he took him back........

[WSOPdawg]

It is delusional to think that the death penalty is even a consideration based on what was in the first NOA. And for it to become a legitimate consideration, the amended NOA would have to be completely nuclear. They would need something like hard evidence of OM coaches actively working with a group of boosters to provide benefits to recruits or players (in other words, solid evidence of the network), or they would need for the Tunsil draft night fiasco to have lead them to hard evidence of a big pay for play scheme involving multiple players totaling large dollar amounts.......the allegations have to be eye popping.

The NCAA has enough to hammer OM, and I think that is exactly what they are going to do. But they aren't going to issue the death penalty to a school that isn't a repeat offender without hard evidence of widespread cheating throughout the program, and that is really hard to come by without subpoena power.

Like Tunsil texts implicating Barney on cash payments, or prospective Tunsil's familyhousing being paid for by a booster, or Coach Hugh Freeze taking prospects to a booster's house for "freebie benefits," or... oh for God's sake, they've been doing this stuff for the better part of a decade now.

This is exactly why Ole Miss should be worried about the NCAA and what they're gonna do to their program. As Dawg-Gone alluded to, here comes Lucille.

[32 Dive]

In regards to the NCAA:

1) They don't necessarily follow precedent.

2) You can almost expect the unexpected.

[smootness]

It is delusional to think that the death penalty is even a consideration based on what was in the first NOA. And for it to become a legitimate consideration, the amended NOA would have to be completely nuclear. They would need something like hard evidence of OM coaches actively working with a group of boosters to provide benefits to recruits or players (in other words, solid evidence of the network), or they would need for the Tunsil draft night fiasco to have lead them to hard evidence of a big pay for play scheme involving multiple players totaling large dollar amounts.......the allegations have to be eye popping.

The NCAA has enough to hammer OM, and I think that is exactly what they are going to do. But they aren't going to issue the death penalty to a school that isn't a repeat offender without hard evidence of widespread cheating throughout the program, and that is really hard to come by without subpoena power.

Exactly this. We can talk all day about rumors of what is going on and what the NCAA has found or may find or whatever. But unless it's on the NOA, it won't affect anything. So we have to see the addendum before we can start to speculate on punishment. The violations in the first NOA are probably good for a bowl ban for a year or two and a pretty significant loss of scholarships. In order to reach a place where they considered the death penalty, the addendum would have to be about 5 times as bad as what is on the initial NOA.

[msbulldog]

What would a DP do financially to UNM? It isn't like they wouldn't have to pay on their debt while not having games. I would also imagine the SEC would not pay them for the SEC network while they weren't contributing.

SEC payout are suspended during probationary period, the school on probation receives 50% of the money at the end of the probation.

[Johnson85]

Like Tunsil texts implicating Barney on cash payments, or prospective Tunsil's familyhousing being paid for by a booster, or Coach Hugh Freeze taking prospects to a booster's house for "freebie benefits," or... oh for God's sake, they've been doing this stuff for the better part of a decade now.

This is exactly why Ole Miss should be worried about the NCAA and what they're gonna do to their program. As Dawg-Gone alluded to, here comes Lucille.

Ole Miss should be worried, but not about the death penalty. The death penaly would impact other members of the conference too much. None of the power conferences woudl want the death penalty to be on the table for any of their members. Sanctions thath cripple a program but dont' mess with TV contracts or scheduling conferences can handle, but they're not going to sign off on a situation that screws up their tv schedule for football, so it's not going to happen. At worst Ole Miss would end up having to fill out a team with mostly walk-ons.

[Tbonewannabe]

SEC payout are suspended during probationary period, the school on probation receives 50% of the money at the end of the probation.

I was referring to if they received the death penalty and didn't have a team. I doubt the SEC would pay them 50% for not fielding a football team. They might but they also could get kicked out of the SEC.

[blacklistedbully]

We DO NOT want UNM to get the death penalty unless we could replace them on our schedule with Vanderbilt. We DO NOT want UNM kicked out of the SEC, because the league would replace them with a better team.

We already have enough killer games on our schedule. We don't want to lose the one opposing team in our division that mostly sucks ass. We especially don't prefer that over a UNM forced to play more by the rules and crippled by sanctions for years.

[Liverpooldawg]

We DO NOT want UNM to get the death penalty unless we could replace them on our schedule with Vanderbilt. We DO NOT want UNM kicked out of the SEC, because the league would replace them with a better team.

We already have enough killer games on our schedule. We don't want to lose the one opposing team in our division that mostly sucks ass. WE especially don't prefer that over a UNM forced to play more by the rules and crippled by sanctions for years.

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[Dawgology]

We DO NOT want UNM to get the death penalty unless we could replace them on our schedule with Vanderbilt. We DO NOT want UNM kicked out of the SEC, because the league would replace them with a better team.

We already have enough killer games on our schedule. We don't want to lose the one opposing team in our division that mostly sucks ass. WE especially don't prefer that over a UNM forced to play more by the rules and crippled by sanctions for years.

I think having one Mississippi school in the SEC would help us more than hurt us in the long run. Hopefully they would realign the divisions as well.

[Dawgology]

And if I'm living in the dream world. Drop Ole Miss. Scoot Bama and Auburn to the East. West picks up Vandy and Mizzou and then adds Oklahoma State.

Boom done. Even split geographically...just about.