We just have to accept fact in recruiting

[HSVDawg]

the 2013 one he came in late on.

So he has had 3 really good classes- made the Sugar in spite of being young- and positioned himself to play Bama for the SEC title next year. Doing a good job if you ask me

Auburn is a school where you should average 9 wins a season with an average coach. Malzahn hasn't been able to do that even when you include the flukey 2013 season where he got an extra game in Atlanta to pad the total against a mediocre Mizzou team. The word here in Alabama is he has to win 9 AND beat at least one out of Georgia and Bama to keep his job in 2018. We'll see how it turns out.

[BrunswickDawg]

Wow so true when you think about it but Gus also has a National Championship ring at Auburn as the OC with Chizik. Two Natty appearances has to carry some weight for him.

But he has also proven he can't adapt when he doesn't have a freak QB (Cam) or lightening in a bottle QB (Marshall). They were bad early until he let Lashley take over play calling and the went run heavy.

[lamont]

But he has also proven he can't adapt when he doesn't have a freak QB (Cam) or lightening in a bottle QB (Marshall). They were bad early until he let Lashley take over play calling and the went run heavy.

Kinda like Dan Mullen huh?

[BrunswickDawg]

Kinda like Dan Mullen huh?

Touche

Although,there are some big differences with Dan and Gus. Gus may be able to recruit, but he obviously can't develop a QB. He has ruined many who were "sure fire, can't miss" prospects.
Also, how much of Gus's recruiting is Gus vs. Ole Yella Wood and Friends??

[lamont]

Touche

Although,there are some big differences with Dan and Gus. Gus may be able to recruit, but he obviously can't develop a QB. He has ruined many who were "sure fire, can't miss" prospects.
Also, how much of Gus's recruiting is Gus vs. Ole Yella Wood and Friends??

He certainly is not as good as Mullen as a QB coach- but what he did with Marshall was impressive. White was also coming along nicely until he got hurt. If their 5-star guy comes in and plays close to what he did at Baylor- and Franklin accepts a move to slot so he can get on the field- their offense is going to be hard to handle

[BrunswickDawg]

He certainly is not as good as Mullen as a QB coach- but what he did with Marshall was impressive. White was also coming along nicely until he got hurt. If their 5-star guy comes in and plays close to what he did at Baylor- and Franklin accepts a move to slot so he can get on the field- their offense is going to be hard to handle

Marshall had already showed he was a freak athlete who had the skills. Marshall is still 12th in career passing yards in GA HS history (was #5 when his career ended) and 3rd in passing TD's, and threw for over 3000 yards in his JUCO season. Gus didn't develop him or really improve him as a QB. It's not like he was an unknown like Fitz. Marshall is no different than Bo Wallace or Chad Kelly. If anything, Richt should be embarrassed that UGA had him at CB.

Gus is Freeze with more $ and talent on the roster.

[lamont]

Totally disagree

Marshall was a project that Gus turned into a good SEC QB. Hell, Marshall threw 20 interceptions in his 1 year as a juco QB. 20 picks in juco. He only threw 13 in 2 years against SEC competition under Gus.

Malzahn has finished ahead of Mullen offensively 5 of 7 years. Next year will be 6 of 8

[smootness]

Malzahn called good plays with Marshall, he didn't develop him into a QB. Now, it's certainly fair to ask what the difference is, and as long as it's effective, there's really not a difference. But if you're relying on just calling the right plays and not on actual QB development, you're going to be limited unless you have certain types of athletes.

[1bigdawg]

Malzahn has finished ahead of Mullen offensively 5 of 7 years. Next year will be 6 of 8

Malzahn has a much more talented and better offensive line. That makes everything easier.

[lamont]

Malzahn has a much more talented and better offensive line. That makes everything easier.

That's Mullen's fault. He needs to recruit better- which is how this whole thread got started

[BrunswickDawg]

Totally disagree

Marshall was a project that Gus turned into a good SEC QB. Hell, Marshall threw 20 interceptions in his 1 year as a juco QB. 20 picks in juco. He only threw 13 in 2 years against SEC competition under Gus.

Malzahn has finished ahead of Mullen offensively 5 of 7 years. Next year will be 6 of 8

How is a guy who had thrown for 8500 yards in high school and 3100 yards in JUCO a project? I think the high INT was more about kid who had a couple years of rust showing out in a gunslinger style offense. Gus, like Freeze, does a great job of calling a passing game and choosing high percentage plays. But a lot of it is dink and dunk, bubble screens, etc. Malzahn, like Freeze, also recognized that Marshall (like Kelly and Dr. Bo for Hugh) fit his system to a T.

[lamont]

How is a guy who had thrown for 8500 yards in high school and 3100 yards in JUCO a project? I think the high INT was more about kid who had a couple years of rust showing out in a gunslinger style offense. Gus, like Freeze, does a great job of calling a passing game and choosing high percentage plays. But a lot of it is dink and dunk, bubble screens, etc. Malzahn, like Freeze, also recognized that Marshall (like Kelly and Dr. Bo for Hugh) fit his system to a T.

Because nobody wanted him to be a D-1 QB coming out of HS. That should tell you something

[confucius say]

Gus's classes at auburn, including the current one, have averaged 8th in the country according to 247 composite. Dans have averaged 26th.
Since regular season is what matters according to RP, Gus's average is 8-4 and dans is 7-5. Only a one win difference despite recruiting 18 spots higher on average?!
Plus they are 2-2 head to head.