We just have to accept fact in recruiting

[HoopsDawg]

Sorry but Mullen is a great QB coach and keeper of a program. Keeps discipline in line and guys graduating. Everything else he's just meh. Just a guy.

Mullen hired a solid D-coordinator and he is turning the defense over to him. If he would fire the CC boys and fill out the rest of his staff with T-buck type recruiters then we would be in a great situation. Can Mullen do that? Most people think no.

[Johnson85]

Sorry but Mullen is a great QB coach and keeper of a program. Keeps discipline in line and guys graduating. Everything else he's just meh. Just a guy.

He's a little bit more than that. If you want to compare him to Saban, Meyer, Harbough, etc., yes, he's just meh. But he's still at the top of the rest of the coaching ranks. Yes, he's not very good at recruiting, but overall, he's only meh if you compare him to the top four or five coaches in the country.

[Commercecomet24]

He averages 8, you count every game. The reason is if he had lost every bowl you damn sure would count it against him. And the bowl games count in the rankings. It's 8 his last 7 years.

Exactly! Don't know where this bowl games don't count thing started. All the games count. Geez

[Bdawg]

Not that I think Mullen and Co are giving an all out effort in recruiting, but I haven't seen much discussion on whether or not we think these other schools are offering a little more than a scholarship. Just makes me wonder why a lot of our kids flip so late in the process. It just may be they are getting better "offers" than we are handing out. And I wouldn't put anything past that human piece of garbage, Bobby Patrino.

[lamont]

Agenda is the new buzz word thrown out when someone doesn't like the facts they are hearing

Using his regular season record to measure our program is not an agenda- it's a very normal and often used measurement of success

[Really Clark?]

Agenda is the new buzz word thrown out when someone doesn't like the facts they are hearing

Using his regular season record to measure our program is not an agenda- it's a very normal and often used measurement of success

Link one place that only counts a coaches regular season. Just one. How bout all the articles that uses bowl records against a coach when discussing postseason failures, etc. The games count both ways and if he was 0-7 in bowl games you damn sure would be counting those losses.

[lamont]

Link one place that only counts a coaches regular season. Just one. How bout all the articles that uses bowl records against a coach when discussing postseason failures, etc. The games count both ways and if he was 0-7 in bowl games you damn sure would be counting those losses.

The AD's office. Coaches get hired and fired for their regular season record- not their bowl record

[Liverpooldawg]

The AD's office. Coaches get hired and fired for their regular season record- not their bowl record

LOL, you do realize you just said national championships don't matter.

[lamont]

LOL, you do realize you just said national championships don't matter.

That's not what I said at all. How many schools will fire you for not winning the NC? 5?

The regular season is what counts for coaches- the rest is fluff. Hell, Bear Bryant lost 7 bowl games in a row and tied another- Bama fans still claim NC's for some of those seasons

[lamont]

LOL, you do realize you just said national championships don't matter.

That's not what I said at all. How many schools will fire you for not winning the NC? 5?

The regular season is what counts for coaches- the rest is fluff. Hell, Bear Bryant lost 7 bowl games in a row and tied another- Bama fans still claim NC's for some of those seasons

[Really Clark?]

The AD's office. Coaches get hired and fired for their regular season record- not their bowl record

Get out of here. If they are getting fired over on the field performance it's taken as a whole of their career at that school. Both regular season and post season are looked at. The saying is "you never hire or fire a coach off of one game". That saying, which many do believe in, is not rooted in bowl games. But is the basis of what not to do like with LSU last year and how they've pulled the trigger this year.

[Reason2succeed]

Some of y'all are complaining about the groceries when all that matter is what comes OUT of the kitchen.

Here's the fact. Mullen beats teams that have more talent than us all the time. Every time he beats Auburn, aTm, OM, and when he beat LSU. Beating Bama means you are probably the NC unless you are OM and can't finish.

Could or should Mullen recruit better? Sure. Any of us could do better at our job. But I'm going to judge him strictly by his on field production and not by his recruiting rankings.

Every team is going to lose guys in recruiting and especially after coaching changes (which granted we have a bunch of).


But every year with Mullen we are raising our national profile and it will pay off if we are not impatient. He told us when he came here that it was going to be a process.

[HancockCountyDog]

Some of y'all are complaining about the groceries when all that matter is what comes OUT of the kitchen.

Here's the fact. Mullen beats teams that have more talent than us all the time. Every time he beats Auburn, aTm, OM, and when he beat LSU. Beating Bama means you are probably the NC unless you are OM and can't finish.

Could or should Mullen recruit better? Sure. Any of us could do better at our job. But I'm going to judge him strictly by his on field production and not by his recruiting rankings.

Every team is going to lose guys in recruiting and especially after coaching changes (which granted we have a bunch of).


But every year with Mullen we are raising our national profile and it will pay off if we are not impatient. He told us when he came here that it was going to be a process.

When he came here, South Alabama did not have a football program. I don't recall him telling us that we would be losing to teams that don't even exist right now as being part of the process. We did not raise our national profile this year. In fact, all we did was prove to some that as long as we beat the confederates, our fan base is happy. Crabs in a god damn bucket.

If you think we raised our national profile this year, you are nuts. The narrative about MSU right now is that Dak carried the program on his back for two years and now that he is gone, it is back to the Weed Wacker Bowl. This year did nothing to disprove that narrative.

[BB30]

When he came here, South Alabama did not have a football program. I don't recall him telling us that we would be losing to teams that don't even exist right now as being part of the process. We did not raise our national profile this year. In fact, all we did was prove to some that as long as we beat the confederates, our fan base is happy. Crabs in a god damn bucket.

If you think we raised our national profile this year, you are nuts. The narrative about MSU right now is that Dak carried the program on his back for two years and now that he is gone, it is back to the Weed Wacker Bowl. This year did nothing to disprove that narrative.

So, in your opinion should we fire Mullen? What are your realistic expectations of our football program? Throw out some numbers and records that you would be satisfied with. We are not nor will we probably ever be a consistent contender, at least not in the near future. If you weren't a born and raised state fan and you had offers from Alabama, LSU, Louisville, State, and Texas A&M where would you go?

[lamont]

Some of y'all are complaining about the groceries when all that matter is what comes OUT of the kitchen.

Here's the fact. Mullen beats teams that have more talent than us all the time. Every time he beats Auburn, aTm, OM, and when he beat LSU. Beating Bama means you are probably the NC unless you are OM and can't finish.

Could or should Mullen recruit better? Sure. Any of us could do better at our job. But I'm going to judge him strictly by his on field production and not by his recruiting rankings.

Every team is going to lose guys in recruiting and especially after coaching changes (which granted we have a bunch of).


But every year with Mullen we are raising our national profile and it will pay off if we are not impatient. He told us when he came here that it was going to be a process.

What came out of the kitchen was 5-7 and losses to South Alabama, BYU, Kentucky, and the like.

And next season doesn't look overly promising with an OL to fix, a bottom half SEC group of WR's, and the hope that a bunch of jucos pan out by games 3, 4, and 5 this Fall

[Liverpooldawg]

What came out of the kitchen was 5-7 and losses to South Alabama, BYU, Kentucky, and the like.

And next season doesn't look overly promising with an OL to fix, a bottom half SEC group of WR's, and the hope that a bunch of jucos pan out by games 3, 4, and 5 this Fall

Bitching about recruiting and then making a negative recruiting pitch that Freeze would be proud of, ok.

[Quaoarsking]

And next season doesn't look overly promising with an OL to fix, a bottom half SEC group of WR's, and the hope that a bunch of jucos pan out by games 3, 4, and 5 this Fall

False. We have the best QB in the SEC and the 4th or 5th best head coach. We'll win at least 9 or 10 games.

[lamont]

False. We have the best QB in the SEC and the 4th or 5th best head coach. We'll win at least 9 or 10 games.

You are smoking crack.

We have to replace 3 OL starters and 4/10 on the 2 deep. That's never turned out well for us.
We also lost 4 Sr's on the DL and that's going to cause problems also.

We are a 7 win team in 2017 at best- and less if Fitz gets hurt.

[Bdawg]

Some of y'all are complaining about the groceries when all that matter is what comes OUT of the kitchen.

Here's the fact. Mullen beats teams that have more talent than us all the time. Every time he beats Auburn, aTm, OM, and when he beat LSU. Beating Bama means you are probably the NC unless you are OM and can't finish.

Could or should Mullen recruit better? Sure. Any of us could do better at our job. But I'm going to judge him strictly by his on field production and not by his recruiting rankings.

Every team is going to lose guys in recruiting and especially after coaching changes (which granted we have a bunch of).


But every year with Mullen we are raising our national profile and it will pay off if we are not impatient. He told us when he came here that it was going to be a process.

What came out of the kitchen last year was a s***burger in my opinion(save the egg bowl). And to me, if you don't want s***burgers, you better start with good quality groceries! All in all though, I think Mullen is a good coach and has taken us to higher level. But I think what most people are saying(including me) is if Mullen doesn't recruit better or at least quit losing players that we want, than we have reached our ceiling.

The Bear "It's amazing how many times the team with the best players win"

[Commercecomet24]

Some of y'all are complaining about the groceries when all that matter is what comes OUT of the kitchen.

Here's the fact. Mullen beats teams that have more talent than us all the time. Every time he beats Auburn, aTm, OM, and when he beat LSU. Beating Bama means you are probably the NC unless you are OM and can't finish.

Could or should Mullen recruit better? Sure. Any of us could do better at our job. But I'm going to judge him strictly by his on field production and not by his recruiting rankings.

Every team is going to lose guys in recruiting and especially after coaching changes (which granted we have a bunch of).


But every year with Mullen we are raising our national profile and it will pay off if we are not impatient. He told us when he came here that it was going to be a process.

This makes to much sense**********
Excellent post!