We just have to accept fact in recruiting

[dawgday166]

He has won 9+ just as much as he has won 6 or less. Hell we went 9-4 his second season. Problem is if we get rid of Dan while he is still winning, we won't be able to throw the entire checkbook at a new guy. He will unfortunately have to lose a couple of years in a row for us to have a chance to land a decent coach. Perception is reality in some instances and our program is too big to be a stepping stone as a HC and not quite elite enough to be a place where you have an excellent chance of winning a NC. Any up and coming coach knows that they can stay where they are at a mid major win a bunch of games and make a jump to a USC, Bama, LSU, UF type program where they have a better chance to win a NC. If you look at our coaching history several of our most successful coaches were retreads at the end of their career, Sherrill etc. We got lucky with Mullen and I truly believe he thought he could come here and win the SEC, he was young, cocky, and arrogant but also busted his a** the first few years. I think he thought he would ride Dak's coat tails out of Starkville to a big time job and it didn't happen so he will have to refocus and win big if he wants to make a move. If he leaves for a Maryland type of job he will be starting over.

Not entirely accurate. Throwing out bowl games he's had 2 - 5 win seasons, 2 - 6 win seasons, 3 - 8 win seasons and 1 - 10 win season.

[lamont]

Not entirely accurate. Throwing out bowl games he's had 2 - 5 win seasons, 2 - 6 win seasons, 3 - 8 win seasons and 1 - 10 win season.

Exactly- this is how you measure your program. Going 6-6 and getting to play Rice in a bowl game or 5-7 to play a team half our fanbase didn't know was D-1 for easy wins doesn't really tell the story.

We are a 6-8 win program under Mullen. And we have to accept that

[Really Clark?]

Exactly- this is how you measure your program. Going 6-6 and getting to play Rice in a bowl game or 5-7 to play a team half our fanbase didn't know was D-1 for easy wins doesn't really tell the story.

We are a 6-8 win program under Mullen. And we have to accept that

You count every game. Period. The dang rankings don't stop with the regular season. The wins and losses count, period

[HancockCountyDog]

You count every game. Period. The dang rankings don't stop with the regular season. The wins and losses count, period

I hear ya, but the Ninja deserves his fair share of credit as well. He figured out that we needed four cupcakes every season to go with our SEC schedule.

Dan feasted on bad OOC teams, Kentucky and bad SEC teams, and he definitely deserves credit for raising the floor at MSU. No question about it, but his recruiting is keeping him from achieving his full potential as a coach.

[Liverpooldawg]

Exactly- this is how you measure your program. Going 6-6 and getting to play Rice in a bowl game or 5-7 to play a team half our fanbase didn't know was D-1 for easy wins doesn't really tell the story.

We are a 6-8 win program under Mullen. And we have to accept that

What have we been historically?

[HancockCountyDog]

What have we been historically?

I don't get this mindset. Clemson hadn't won the ACC in 20 years before Dabo did it in 2011. I've been to Clemson, I can promise you there is nothing in Clemson that should make Starkville ashamed of anything.

If you have a coach who is happy winning 6-9 games and a fan base that will accept it, and you are willing to pay him 4.5 million dollars to achieve those goals, then no one should be surprised when we lose recruiting battles to programs like Louisville who think that their program should be in the playoff. Right or Wrong, that is what they think.

[Liverpooldawg]

I don't get this mindset. Clemson hadn't won the ACC in 20 years before Dabo did it in 2011. I've been to Clemson, I can promise you there is nothing in Clemson that should make Starkville ashamed of anything.

If you have a coach who is happy winning 6-9 games and a fan base that will accept it, and you are willing to pay him 4.5 million dollars to achieve those goals, then no one should be surprised when we lose recruiting battles to programs like Louisville who think that their program should be in the playoff. Right or Wrong, that is what they think.

Clemson had been a solid program for 40 years for the most part. You have to do what we are doing over the long haul to build a base. My mindset is I don't want to do what we have always done, and that is what y'all are advocating. It's the same old stuff that has always killed us whenever we get close. Patience grasshopper.

[lamont]

What have we been historically?

Our history began in 1991 when we finally decided to operate like an SEC football program

We have been a team that could compete in the West except when ravaged by probation or the when we let Templeton actually make the hire. Thank goodness we didn't allow him to make other hires like Bobby Wallace and Dwayne Reboul

[Liverpooldawg]

Our history began in 1991 when we finally decided to operate like an SEC football program

We have been a team that could compete in the West except when ravaged by probation or the when we let Templeton actually make the hire. Thank goodness we didn't allow him to make other hires like Bobby Wallace and Dwayne Reboul

LOL, it doesn't work like that.

[BB30]

Our history began in 1991 when we finally decided to operate like an SEC football program

We have been a team that could compete in the West except when ravaged by probation or the when we let Templeton actually make the hire. Thank goodness we didn't allow him to make other hires like Bobby Wallace and Dwayne Reboul

So, historically speaking, starting in 91 we could compete for the west as long as we weren't on probation(CHEATING) and the Croom Debacle. We have competed for the west exactly 3 times since 91... In the 90s the west was not nearly as strong as it is now. So in 25 years we have competed for the west 3 times and you consider that being a consistent competitor in the west? Jackie lost the program before sanctions ever hit. He basically had a good 3-4 year run in a down west. Other than that and 2014 when have we realistically competed for the west? Again in 25 years we have had a chance 3 times.

[BB30]

1990 5-6
1991 7-5
1992 7-5
1993 3-6
1994 8-4
1995 3-8
1996 5-6
1997 7-4
1998 8-5
1999 10-2
2000 8-4
2001 3-8
2002 3-9
2003 2-10
2004 3-8
2005 3-8
2006 3-9
2007 8-5
2008 4-8

Really competed for the west.....

[BB30]

Now Mullen's tenure

2009 5-7
2010 9-4
2011 7-6
2012 8-5
2013 7-6
2014 10-3
2015 9-4
2016 6-7