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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Poster View Post
    Our history began in 1991 when we finally decided to operate like an SEC football program

    We have been a team that could compete in the West except when ravaged by probation or the when we let Templeton actually make the hire. Thank goodness we didn't allow him to make other hires like Bobby Wallace and Dwayne Reboul
    So, historically speaking, starting in 91 we could compete for the west as long as we weren't on probation(CHEATING) and the Croom Debacle. We have competed for the west exactly 3 times since 91... In the 90s the west was not nearly as strong as it is now. So in 25 years we have competed for the west 3 times and you consider that being a consistent competitor in the west? Jackie lost the program before sanctions ever hit. He basically had a good 3-4 year run in a down west. Other than that and 2014 when have we realistically competed for the west? Again in 25 years we have had a chance 3 times.

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    1990 5-6
    1991 7-5
    1992 7-5
    1993 3-6
    1994 8-4
    1995 3-8
    1996 5-6
    1997 7-4
    1998 8-5
    1999 10-2
    2000 8-4
    2001 3-8
    2002 3-9
    2003 2-10
    2004 3-8
    2005 3-8
    2006 3-9
    2007 8-5
    2008 4-8

    Really competed for the west.....

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    Now Mullen's tenure

    2009 5-7
    2010 9-4
    2011 7-6
    2012 8-5
    2013 7-6
    2014 10-3
    2015 9-4
    2016 6-7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quaoarsking View Post
    False. We have the best QB in the SEC and the 4th or 5th best head coach. We'll win at least 9 or 10 games.
    You are smoking crack.

    We have to replace 3 OL starters and 4/10 on the 2 deep. That's never turned out well for us.
    We also lost 4 Sr's on the DL and that's going to cause problems also.

    We are a 7 win team in 2017 at best- and less if Fitz gets hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarius View Post
    You can only make so many facility upgrades with all of that money. At some point more money stops helping as much. The extra money that we are receiving is helping us much more than the schools getting extra money that have always had a lot of money
    I disagree. It's not nearly the diminishing return that people think. If it was just one year, I would agree but over the last 5 years, depending on the school, we are as much as $400 MIL behind what they have brought in. Bama is to the point they are hoarding their new corrdinators and assistant coaches off the field until a spot opens. The auxiliary staff and student athlete support staff ratio is lower. The recruiting budget that the AD office gives the staff is millions behind other schools. What happens when our budget drops back down from the ramp up of the baseball stadium expansion? This amount of budget difference will be an issue until we are able to get to the point where no more than $100 million separates from the SEC average to Top third over a 5 year period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB30 View Post
    1990 5-6
    1991 7-5
    1992 7-5
    1993 3-6
    1994 8-4
    1995 3-8
    1996 5-6
    1997 7-4
    1998 8-5
    1999 10-2
    2000 8-4
    2001 3-8
    2002 3-9
    2003 2-10
    2004 3-8
    2005 3-8
    2006 3-9
    2007 8-5
    2008 4-8

    Really competed for the west.....
    100-120 (.450)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB30 View Post
    Now Mullen's tenure

    2009 5-7
    2010 9-4
    2011 7-6
    2012 8-5
    2013 7-6
    2014 10-3
    2015 9-4
    2016 6-7
    61-42 (.590)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Poster View Post
    That's not what I said at all. How many schools will fire you for not winning the NC? 5?

    The regular season is what counts for coaches- the rest is fluff. Hell, Bear Bryant lost 7 bowl games in a row and tied another- Bama fans still claim NC's for some of those seasons
    How many will hire you for winning one? You are just trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Poster View Post
    That's not what I said at all. How many schools will fire you for not winning the NC? 5?

    The regular season is what counts for coaches- the rest is fluff. Hell, Bear Bryant lost 7 bowl games in a row and tied another- Bama fans still claim NC's for some of those seasons
    One more, you do know that back in the day the rankings were not updated after the bowls? They are now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarius View Post
    You can only make so many facility upgrades with all of that money. At some point more money stops helping as much. The extra money that we are receiving is helping us much more than the schools getting extra money that have always had a lot of money
    Yes, but it hasn't let us actually make up any ground the people we are chasing. For every upgrade we have made they have made at least one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Really Clark? View Post
    I disagree. It's not nearly the diminishing return that people think. If it was just one year, I would agree but over the last 5 years, depending on the school, we are as much as $400 MIL behind what they have brought in. Bama is to the point they are hoarding their new corrdinators and assistant coaches off the field until a spot opens. The auxiliary staff and student athlete support staff ratio is lower. The recruiting budget that the AD office gives the staff is millions behind other schools. What happens when our budget drops back down from the ramp up of the baseball stadium expansion? This amount of budget difference will be an issue until we are able to get to the point where no more than $100 million separates from the SEC average to Top third over a 5 year period.
    Exactly

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    I literally just don't give a shit anymore. We suck at recruiting and that will continue as long as Mullen is coach. Pretty sad to think about because I think Mullen could really compete if he could actually get some talent at multiple positions instead of sprinkled here and there. Oh well, life goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg View Post
    Yes, but it hasn't let us actually make up any ground the people we are chasing. For every upgrade we have made they have made at least one.
    Recruits don't go to other schools and their facilities stand out as way better than MSU's any more. We have a very nice new facility and a very nice stadium. It's not quite as nice as some of the others we play but it's not something that stands out to players we recruit. It used to stand out very much. That is how our budget increase has closed the gap. We don't lose recruits for that reason any more. We recruit at an elite level in every single sport on campus except for football. We have a head football coach that isn't a very good recruiter. That's our problem. It's not a budget issue. It's a Dan Mullen issue.
    Last edited by Jarius; 01-19-2017 at 12:15 PM.

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    Mullen has finished better than 4th place IN THE WEST one time in 8 years.
    This is where we're at as a program. Mullen will win 7 or 8 games a year and go 2-4 or 3-3 in the west.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I seen it dawg View Post
    We don't work hard enough at it. It's really very simple.
    Thank you. Don't make it something it's not. We need staff members that are passionate about recruiting. You can't have that developmental program mentality on the recruiting trail. It's 24/7, 365.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I seen it dawg View Post
    Sorry but Mullen is a great QB coach and keeper of a program. Keeps discipline in line and guys graduating. Everything else he's just meh. Just a guy.
    Mullen hired a solid D-coordinator and he is turning the defense over to him. If he would fire the CC boys and fill out the rest of his staff with T-buck type recruiters then we would be in a great situation. Can Mullen do that? Most people think no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacrifice View Post
    Mullen has finished better than 4th place IN THE WEST one time in 8 years.
    This is where we're at as a program. Mullen will win 7 or 8 games a year and go 2-4 or 3-3 in the west.
    He's gone 2-4 every year except '14. 7 years of no more than 2 wins in SEC W.

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    Damn! Recruiting sucks! Even our scoreboard camera flipped!**


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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgday166 View Post
    Because of attitude dude. That's what makes Dak you know Dak. That's what has made him (so far) better than every QB taken before him. Dan didn't give Dak that magical attitude nor those inherent leadership skills.

    Urban was able to harness Cardale's talent long enough (even despite the attitude) to win a Natty with him, cause I guarantee you he has at least the same talent Dak does.
    This is stupid.

    Attitude is part of the development of a QB. Urban won a championship with Jones but it wasn't because of him. He was a third string QB if you recall. The offense was super simplified and run heavy and they relied on a stout defense.

    Dak came in as a very talented and undervalued recruit with a strong work ethic, but Dak wasn't DAK until after a couple of years in the system.

    You keep moving the goalposts with your arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgday166 View Post
    Because of attitude dude.
    No. Cardale Jones can't play QB in the NFL because he isn't good at being a QB. He has a big arm and size and can move decently well for his size. That's literally it. If you think those things and 'attitude' are the only things you need to be an NFL QB...

    He has no idea what he's doing, he can't read defenses, and his accuracy sucks. But other than that, he's got everything it takes**

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