We just have to accept fact in recruiting

[BrunswickDawg]

His Arkansas offense? Hahaha. That was Houston Nutt all the way. Malzahn was a glorified clipboard holder for Nutt with an OC title that was only given to him in order to land Mitch Mustain. He was as much the OC at Arkansas as Billy Gonzalez is at MSU. He has had two high level SEC offenses in 8 years as an OC / HC. Those were 2010 and 2013. He's also had several average to slightly above average offenses and a few terrible ones. I couldn't really care less what he did a CUSA or Sun Belt school or a high school. He is a decent offensive mind, but his window dressing is starting to be figured out by DC's throughout the league. He hasn't proven capable of adapting quite yet. And them whipping our ass with Pettway proved nothing. Everybody whipped our D's ass this year both running and throwing, including Samford.

Nutt ran a pounding running game with McFadden and Felix Jones and benched Mustain for Casey Dick. It was not a Gus Bus offense. It was all Nutt. Gus realized he had been used by Nutt to get Mustain and Williams and they all bolted after 1 year. And Gus was way out of his element this year with 2 pounding RBs - which is why Lashley started calling plays. Then amazingly, their offense comes together. Gus is a 1 trick pony.

[lamont]

But he has also proven he can't adapt when he doesn't have a freak QB (Cam) or lightening in a bottle QB (Marshall). They were bad early until he let Lashley take over play calling and the went run heavy.

Kinda like Dan Mullen huh?

[Bdawg]

What do you believe that we needed to do to keep Odom that has not been done?
Do you not think Dan Mullen understands that we need better players at all positions and is trying to get those players in a legal manner?

I stated this earlier I this thread I believe, and it's that no one seems to be talking about recruiting improprieties. Maybe there is a good reason we lose guys late in the process. $$$$ We are watching our neighbors go through it right now and you know they are not the only ones(wouldn't put anything past Patrino). Just another thing we may be battling(not saying we are squeaky clean either). Watch Last Chance U. Don't think kids aren't asking for it either.

[BrunswickDawg]

Kinda like Dan Mullen huh?

Touche

Although,there are some big differences with Dan and Gus. Gus may be able to recruit, but he obviously can't develop a QB. He has ruined many who were "sure fire, can't miss" prospects.
Also, how much of Gus's recruiting is Gus vs. Ole Yella Wood and Friends??

[Bdawg]

He needs to keep Grantham as our one coach that doesn't have to be an ace recruiter and everyone else he has on staff needs to be as passionate about recruiting as Terrell Buckley. That won't get us to an Alabama level but at least we won't hear our flips saying someone else was "giving them more love". If I read that one more time I may vomit.

Showing more love could have two meanings
1. Getting out worked(which I couldn't stand for)
2. $$$$$$$$

[lamont]

Touche

Although,there are some big differences with Dan and Gus. Gus may be able to recruit, but he obviously can't develop a QB. He has ruined many who were "sure fire, can't miss" prospects.
Also, how much of Gus's recruiting is Gus vs. Ole Yella Wood and Friends??

He certainly is not as good as Mullen as a QB coach- but what he did with Marshall was impressive. White was also coming along nicely until he got hurt. If their 5-star guy comes in and plays close to what he did at Baylor- and Franklin accepts a move to slot so he can get on the field- their offense is going to be hard to handle

[BrunswickDawg]

He certainly is not as good as Mullen as a QB coach- but what he did with Marshall was impressive. White was also coming along nicely until he got hurt. If their 5-star guy comes in and plays close to what he did at Baylor- and Franklin accepts a move to slot so he can get on the field- their offense is going to be hard to handle

Marshall had already showed he was a freak athlete who had the skills. Marshall is still 12th in career passing yards in GA HS history (was #5 when his career ended) and 3rd in passing TD's, and threw for over 3000 yards in his JUCO season. Gus didn't develop him or really improve him as a QB. It's not like he was an unknown like Fitz. Marshall is no different than Bo Wallace or Chad Kelly. If anything, Richt should be embarrassed that UGA had him at CB.

Gus is Freeze with more $ and talent on the roster.

[lamont]

Totally disagree

Marshall was a project that Gus turned into a good SEC QB. Hell, Marshall threw 20 interceptions in his 1 year as a juco QB. 20 picks in juco. He only threw 13 in 2 years against SEC competition under Gus.

Malzahn has finished ahead of Mullen offensively 5 of 7 years. Next year will be 6 of 8

[smootness]

Malzahn called good plays with Marshall, he didn't develop him into a QB. Now, it's certainly fair to ask what the difference is, and as long as it's effective, there's really not a difference. But if you're relying on just calling the right plays and not on actual QB development, you're going to be limited unless you have certain types of athletes.

[1bigdawg]

Malzahn has finished ahead of Mullen offensively 5 of 7 years. Next year will be 6 of 8

Malzahn has a much more talented and better offensive line. That makes everything easier.

[BrunswickDawg]

Totally disagree

Marshall was a project that Gus turned into a good SEC QB. Hell, Marshall threw 20 interceptions in his 1 year as a juco QB. 20 picks in juco. He only threw 13 in 2 years against SEC competition under Gus.

Malzahn has finished ahead of Mullen offensively 5 of 7 years. Next year will be 6 of 8

How is a guy who had thrown for 8500 yards in high school and 3100 yards in JUCO a project? I think the high INT was more about kid who had a couple years of rust showing out in a gunslinger style offense. Gus, like Freeze, does a great job of calling a passing game and choosing high percentage plays. But a lot of it is dink and dunk, bubble screens, etc. Malzahn, like Freeze, also recognized that Marshall (like Kelly and Dr. Bo for Hugh) fit his system to a T.

[lamont]

Malzahn has a much more talented and better offensive line. That makes everything easier.

That's Mullen's fault. He needs to recruit better- which is how this whole thread got started

[lamont]

How is a guy who had thrown for 8500 yards in high school and 3100 yards in JUCO a project? I think the high INT was more about kid who had a couple years of rust showing out in a gunslinger style offense. Gus, like Freeze, does a great job of calling a passing game and choosing high percentage plays. But a lot of it is dink and dunk, bubble screens, etc. Malzahn, like Freeze, also recognized that Marshall (like Kelly and Dr. Bo for Hugh) fit his system to a T.

Because nobody wanted him to be a D-1 QB coming out of HS. That should tell you something

[confucius say]

Gus's classes at auburn, including the current one, have averaged 8th in the country according to 247 composite. Dans have averaged 26th.
Since regular season is what matters according to RP, Gus's average is 8-4 and dans is 7-5. Only a one win difference despite recruiting 18 spots higher on average?!
Plus they are 2-2 head to head.