We just have to accept fact in recruiting

[lamont]

This regime under Mullen- no matter what assistants we hire- is always going to be a 20-30 recruiter. After 8 years, we have all the evidence we need. OM is down and struggling so what happens? Do we lock the state of Mississippi down? No. Louisville and LSU are going to poach the top 10.

Why? Because of our pitch to recruits. We preach hard work, busting your ass, lunch pail mentality. We don't kiss much of those 18 year old asses. We don't do glitz or glam. That's all well and good in pro football- but when you are selling your program- you have to put as much lipstick on that pig as you possibly can. 18 year old kids don't want to hear about hard work and how nothing is going to be given to them. You have to lie and make promises you can't keep. Recruiting is just a dirty business.

We pull in some good players- but we will never have the depth or complete team necessary to do anything big. Mullen is Stands without the severe discipline problems and drama. And that's ok I guess. Climbing the SEC mountain is a lot harder in football than basketball.

[missouridawg]

Mullen is the anti-Stands... a great coach and developer, but average recruiter. Stands was bad at in-game coaching and developing his high end recruits.

[lamont]

Mullen is the anti-Stands... a great coach and developer, but average recruiter. Stands was bad at in-game coaching and developing his high end recruits.

I was talking from a results point. You knew Stands was never going to do anything big nationally- and we know Mullen is never going to win the SEC.

[ScottH]

Mullen is the anti-Stands... a great coach and developer, but average recruiter. Stands was bad at in-game coaching and developing his high end recruits.

Exactly.

[dawgday166]

Mullen is the anti-Stands... a great coach and developer, but average recruiter. Stands was bad at in-game coaching and developing his high end recruits.

Mullen's success with high end recruits and his in-game coaching ain't nuthin to write home about either.

ETA: Not sure why everyone always says he's a great coach either. He may be a good coach. If he were great we'd be finishing higher in the west every year than we do.

[travis]

Mullen's success with high end recruits and his in-game coaching ain't nuthin to write home about either.

ETA: Not sure why everyone always says he's a great coach either. He may be a good coach. If he were great we'd be finishing higher in the west every year than we do.

I'd say he's the best coach State has had since McKeen.

[dawgday166]

I'd say he's the best coach State has had since McKeen.

I probably wouldn't argue that point. Doesn't make him a great coach tho in today's climate.

[Liverpooldawg]

I probably wouldn't argue that point. Doesn't make him a great coach tho in today's climate.

Yes it does. The current climate in the SEC makes things harder, not easier.

[lamont]

I'd say he's the best coach State has had since McKeen.

Absolutely. And he has more resources than any State coach has ever had.

Unfortunately- we can't compare Mullen to Charlie Shira- we have to compare him to Saban, Yaw Yaw, Gus Bus, Sumlin, Bert, and Freezus.

[Liverpooldawg]

Absolutely. And he has more resources than any State coach has ever had.

Unfortunately- we can't compare Mullen to Charlie Shira- we have to compare him to Saban, Yaw Yaw, Gus Bus, Sumlin, Bert, and Freezus.

Relatively speaking we are no better off in the SEC facility and money wise than we ever were. The SEC has been the strongest that any conference has ever been for the last 15 years and we are doing better than what we do historically despite that. Great argument for Mullen Random, thanks!

[HSVDawg]

Absolutely. And he has more resources than any State coach has ever had.

Unfortunately- we can't compare Mullen to Charlie Shira- we have to compare him to Saban, Yaw Yaw, Gus Bus, Sumlin, Bert, and Freezus.

You could make an argument, based on Mullen's body of work, that he is better than all of those coaches except Saban. Orgeron is a bit of a mystery due to small recent sample size, but if you include his OM tenure there is no way you can put him over Mullen. The problem then comes if / when A&M, Auburn, and Arkansas actually make legitimate hires to replace their current guys, who could realistically all be gone within the next year or two.

[Liverpooldawg]

I'd say he's the best coach State has had since McKeen.

There is no doubt about that, and he has done it in what will eventually be known as the Golden Age of SEC football.

[Bubb Rubb]

Mullen's success with high end recruits and his in-game coaching ain't nuthin to write home about either.

ETA: Not sure why everyone always says he's a great coach either. He may be a good coach. If he were great we'd be finishing higher in the west every year than we do.

Mullen has his issues, as all coaches do from time to time. But he is a great offensive football coach. That's not even debatable. He made us competitive with a midget for a QB, and then he won with Chris Relf.

[dawgday166]

Mullen has his issues, as all coaches do from time to time. But he is a great offensive football coach. That's not even debatable. He made us competitive with a midget for a QB, and then he won with Chris Relf.

Yea it is ... go look at the offensive rankings for each year he's been here. I do think he's a great offensive mind tho. But maybe also that had a lot to do with some guy named Urban. He seems to develop QBs pretty good himself.

[Bubb Rubb]

Yea it is ... go look at the offensive rankings for each year he's been here. I do think he's a great offensive mind tho. But maybe also that had a lot to do with some guy named Urban. He seems to develop QBs pretty good himself.

No it's not. You're embarrassing yourself.

The QB's that Urban developed...Mullen was his QB coach/offensive coordinator. I'll hang up and listen as you tell me the list of QBs Urban has put in the league since Mullen left him.

[smootness]

Yea it is ... go look at the offensive rankings for each year he's been here. I do think he's a great offensive mind tho. But maybe also that had a lot to do with some guy named Urban. He seems to develop QBs pretty good himself.

Yes, Cardale Jones and JT Barrett just skyrocketed under his tutelage.

[RougeDawg]

Mullen has his issues, as all coaches do from time to time. But he is a great offensive football coach. That's not even debatable. He made us competitive with a midget for a QB, and then he won with Chris Relf.

This post is what makes hud recruiting so frustrating. He's doing all of the things he does with majority 3 star guys. Give him 3.5-4 star teams and see how much better we'd be. It's beblike iogradinf from a mustang to a corvette for street racing. Sure a mustang can win some races but a corvette gives you a better chance each and every race.

[Irondawg]

The pitch is fine if you think it will work on certain players. The issue is that we supposedly keep identifying guys who buy into the approach and then lose them very, very late in the game.

It's all speculation from our end, but if Mullen and Co. don't see trends developing as to the reasons why this keeps happening and figure out a way to stop them, it's all on them.

[Jarius]

The pitch is fine if you think it will work on certain players. The issue is that we supposedly keep identifying guys who buy into the approach and then lose them very, very late in the game.

It's all speculation from our end, but if Mullen and Co. don't see trends developing as to the reasons why this keeps happening and figure out a way to stop them, it's all on them.

This is what doesn't add up and makes it look like our staff gets really lazy late in the process. We continually have the same problem with people leaving us late in the process no matter how many different recruiters we have had under Mullen. It happens all the time. The pitch works in June and in February people bolt.

[BB30]

This regime under Mullen- no matter what assistants we hire- is always going to be a 20-30 recruiter. After 8 years, we have all the evidence we need. OM is down and struggling so what happens? Do we lock the state of Mississippi down? No. Louisville and LSU are going to poach the top 10.

Why? Because of our pitch to recruits. We preach hard work, busting your ass, lunch pail mentality. We don't kiss much of those 18 year old asses. We don't do glitz or glam. That's all well and good in pro football- but when you are selling your program- you have to put as much lipstick on that pig as you possibly can. 18 year old kids don't want to hear about hard work and how nothing is going to be given to them. You have to lie and make promises you can't keep. Recruiting is just a dirty business.

We pull in some good players- but we will never have the depth or complete team necessary to do anything big. Mullen is Stands without the severe discipline problems and drama. And that's ok I guess. Climbing the SEC mountain is a lot harder in football than basketball.

So you talk about the snow flake generation and how awful it is and that they need to toughen up yet you want to inflate their ego and tell them how great they are and continue down the same path? I personally don't want our coaches flat out lying to kids, they need to know that it is going to be hell going in and that they aren't guaranteed anything. Coaches can kiss a** and still tell the truth, it doesn't have to be one or the other.

I personally don't think that is the issue, I think the issue is effort on Dan's part. Let me state that I am pro Dan, but at some point your HC has to like recruiting, it is the lifeblood of a program at the end of the day. It doesn't matter if your assistants are great recruiters, eventually parents and kids want to know that the head man is and will be involved in the kid's life, not just using him to get the next best job.

You may can get away with not being that interested in recruiting at an Alabama or Ohio State and just have good assistants,(although Meyer and Saban are obviously great recruiters, look at the nose dive Florida recruiting has taken since Meyer left) but unfortunately here you can't get away with that. You have to sell the sh** out of Starkville and Mississippi State and accomplishing something special that has never happened here before. The fact that Lville is poaching guys in our state left and right is absurd. There is absolutely no reason we shouldn't be able to out recruit them in our state, it is pathetic.