Bonds and Clemens denied again.

[parabrave]

Pretty soon these steroird users are going to be seen touring with Pete Rose. Congrats to Jeff Bagwell, Tim Raines and Ivan Rodriguez for making it.

[msstate7]

Chipper and andruw up next... good luck to 2 of my all time favorites

[ShotgunDawg]

Pretty soon these steroird users are going to be seen touring with Pete Rose. Congrats to Jeff Bagwell, Tim Raines and Ivan Rodriguez for making it.

Pretty absurd that Bagwell and Pudge were elected and not Bonds and Clemens. All 4 of them were big users.
At this point, it seems that Bonds and Clemens are being punished for being the best steroid era players and thus the face of the era while just as heavy users that weren't as good get a pass.

[Todd4State]

Pretty absurd that Bagwell and Pudge were elected and not Bonds and Clemens. All 4 of them were big users.
At this point, it seems that Bonds and Clemens are being punished for being the best steroid era players and thus the face of the era while just as heavy users that weren't as good get a pass.

The media has ruined the Hall of Fame and why they shouldn't be allowed to be the sole group that picks the inductees. They have no clue how hard it is to hit a ball or locate pitches for strikes with or without PEDs. They also have no clue how many guys they have inducted that have done things that aren't always above board.

[Commercecomet24]

Chipper and andruw up next... good luck to 2 of my all time favorites

Hear,hear my good man! Chipper my all time favorite, he's first ballot for sure. Don't think Andruw gets in. Shame that his career petered out a little to early. He beat himself up running into fences and diving around and the injuries took their toll on his body. I know I'm old but Hank Aaron is my hr champ not bonds. Hank did it right and is a classy man!

[RougeDawg]

Hear,hear my good man! Chipper my all time favorite, he's first ballot for sure. Don't think Andruw gets in. Shame that his career petered out a little to early. He beat himself up running into fences and diving around and the injuries took their toll on his body. I know I'm old but Hank Aaron is my hr champ not bonds. Hank did it right and is a classy man!

Chipper along with 75% of those braves teams were steroid users. And before you say "no he didn't" a player on that team gave me a list of the guys using during that time and team. Chipper just never bulked up like the rest. Andruw did not use if that makes you feel any better.

[Dawg61]

Dude gives you a list. Must be true!!

Here Rouge I am going to give you a list of women I have ****ed. It is true cause I have given you a list.

1. Kate Upton
2. Jennifer Lopez
3. Cindy Crawford
4. Every Victoria Secret model ever
5. Marilyn Monroe (not proud of it)
6. Princess Diana (before the crash, RIP)
7. Jessica Rabbit
8. Selma Hayek
9. Michelle Obama (don't judge)
10. The Olsen twins (they were legal you pervs)

[RougeDawg]

Dude gives you a list. Must be true!!

Here Rouge I am going to give you a list of women I have ****ed. It is true cause I have given you a list.

1. Kate Upton
2. Jennifer Lopezo
3. Cindy Crawford
4. Every Victoria Secret model ever
5. Marilyn Monroe (not proud of it)
6. Princess Diana (before the crash, RIP)
7. Jessica Rabbit
8. Selma Hayek
9. Michelle Obama (don't judge)
10. The Olsen twins (they were legal you pervs)

Dude stop proving to the board what they already know about you.

75% or more of the entire league was using something illegal during that time frame. I even personally know another player of that era that played for Cleveland who told me about players and actually used himself. Even got caught once and had to sit out games. It was part of the era But let's not listen to the guys who were actually in the locker rooms.

You probably haven't even been in the same city at the same time, as those women you listed.

It never ceases to amaze me the lengths of which people will go to attempt to discredit something that doesn't fit their mindset or narrative. Even when they have no substantive evidence, they make such ridiculous and far fetched claims as a rebuttal, such as in this case, to throw out a substantiated and factually based statement that I made. It's actually a tactic of Saul Alinsky for those whom care to look it up. Respond to something you don't like with something unrealistic and then the public discredits both. Might work with be general public but you can't fool someone who's studied the other teams playbook as much as the other team.

The liberal left uses this tactic all the time when they are exposed. Bearshart fans used this tactic as well.

And a footnote. Glavins and Maddux were clean. Smoltz, not so much.

[Dawg61]

Dude stop proving to the board what they already know about you. what that I have a huge cock and women love it

75% or more of the entire league was using something illegal during that time frame. oh here goes Rouge with a totally bullshit statistic that he made up outta thin air and will now try to act like it is factI even personally know another player of that era that played for Cleveland who told me about players and actually used himself. this is total bullshit, you lie quite a bit and are always quick to tell stories of who you know, you must be the most popular person in LouisianaEven got caught once and had to sit out games. It was part of the era But let's not listen to the guys who were actually in the locker rooms. even if you actually did know some scrub that played for the Cleveland Indians (which you don't because you lie constantly) and he actually did tell you he took steroids (which he didn't) it would still only be one scrub telling you a story

You probably haven't even been in the same city at the same time, as those women you listed. I put a cartoon character and a woman that has been dead for over 54 years on it, it was clearly a joke list just like your stories you always tell Mr. Ted Williams. How about you tell us the story of when you taught Wade Boggs how to hit a baseball and drink beer next

It never ceases to amaze me the lengths of which people will go to attempt to discredit something that doesn't fit their mindset or narrative. Even when they have no substantive evidence, they make such ridiculous and far fetched claims as a rebuttal, such as in this case, to throw out a substantiated and factually based statement that I made you telling us you once knew a scrub that played for Cleveland who volunteered information to you that he took steroids is now considered "substantiated and factually" what a ****ing joke Rouge. It's actually a tactic of Saul Alinsky for those whom care to look it up. Respond to something you don't like with something unrealistic and then the public discredits both. Might work with be general public but you can't fool someone who's studied the other teams playbook as much as the other team. holy shit come back to earth

The liberal left uses this tactic all the time when they are exposed.Trump is a dickbag Bearshart fans used this tactic as well.

And a footnote. Glavins and Maddux were clean. Smoltz, not so much.oh cause you're the most popular person in Georgia now too and all the Braves came to tell you their deepest darkest secrets

You are a clown. Can't wait for baseball season for you to teach us clown hitting techniques again.

[louisvilledawg]

Dude stop proving to the board what they already know about you.

75% or more of the entire league was using something illegal during that time frame. I even personally know another player of that era that played for Cleveland who told me about players and actually used himself. Even got caught once and had to sit out games. It was part of the era But let's not listen to the guys who were actually in the locker rooms.

You probably haven't even been in the same city at the same time, as those women you listed.

It never ceases to amaze me the lengths of which people will go to attempt to discredit something that doesn't fit their mindset or narrative. Even when they have no substantive evidence, they make such ridiculous and far fetched claims as a rebuttal, such as in this case, to throw out a substantiated and factually based statement that I made. It's actually a tactic of Saul Alinsky for those whom care to look it up. Respond to something you don't like with something unrealistic and then the public discredits both. Might work with be general public but you can't fool someone who's studied the other teams playbook as much as the other team.

The liberal left uses this tactic all the time when they are exposed. Bearshart fans used this tactic as well.

And a footnote. Glavins and Maddux were clean. Smoltz, not so much.

To hooking up with Jessica Rabbit:

[shoeless joe]

Chipper along with 75% of those braves teams were steroid users. And before you say "no he didn't" a player on that team gave me a list of the guys using during that time and team. Chipper just never bulked up like the rest. Andruw did not use if that makes you feel any better.

If you know it then a lot of folks know it...and what you're saying doesn't jive.

You also must know more than glavine and smoltz because they both have talked about how it wasn't rampant on those teams. Keep in mind that chipper was an ass hole and a lot of folks didn't like him on those teams so I'm not surprised someone close or on the team would throw that out there. I'm sure he had some supplements he took but I'm finding it hard to believe he used based on all available evidence.

[BB30]

If you know it then a lot of folks know it...and what you're saying doesn't jive.

You also must know more than glavine and smoltz because they both have talked about how it wasn't rampant on those teams. Keep in mind that chipper was an ass hole and a lot of folks didn't like him on those teams so I'm not surprised someone close or on the team would throw that out there. I'm sure he had some supplements he took but I'm finding it hard to believe he used based on all available evidence.

Since Glavine and Smoltz would just come out and throw teammates under the bus and all.... That stuff was on every team during that time period. Not saying Chipper used or didn't but the fact that Glavine and Smoltz said it wasn't rampant doesn't really mean anything.

[shoeless joe]

Since Glavine and Smoltz would just come out and throw teammates under the bus and all.... That stuff was on every team during that time period. Not saying Chipper used or didn't but the fact that Glavine and Smoltz said it wasn't rampant doesn't really mean anything.

You're right. But unsolicited comments from those guys do carry more weight than hearsay and second hand info. I don't think there is a more insightful or thoughtful guy around, in regards to baseball, than john smoltz. I have tons of respect for the man.

I personally don't believe 75% of the game was using. I could be wrong. I've always thought it to be closer to 50% based on the reports and the supposed anonymous testing that ended up coming to light.

[RougeDawg]

Bagwell and Pudge both used PED's. But they weren't..... wait for it..... targets of the so called steroid investigation. I'd say Bagwell took HGH before Bonds or anyone else. Just like with politics, the media makes or breaks a person unless you take to twitter.

[Todd4State]

Bagwell and Pudge both used PED's. But they weren't..... wait for it..... targets of the so called steroid investigation. I'd say Bagwell took HGH before Bonds or anyone else. Just like with politics, the media makes or breaks a person unless you take to twitter.

Yep. The media has given in to what Jose Canseco wanted and they have no clue that they did it. Bunch of morons.

[Reason2succeed]

Baseball is a joke.

[Dawg61]

Baseball is a joke.

No the hall of fame is a popularity contest joke. Barry Bonds is the greatest hitter ever.

[shoeless joe]

No the hall of fame is a popularity contest joke. Barry Bonds is the greatest hitter ever.

No he's not.

[Dawg61]

No he's not.

Yes he is. Don't debate my opinion with me you'll lose every time.

[ATTILLA THE DOG]

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