Hev Whiffs Again

[Irondawg]

I have no doubt we were better last year but it's because we had some experience there but we were razor thin. We've been relatively fortunate with injuries but if we had 2 guys go down we'd be in big trouble I fear.
Plus the argument is really his recruiting and can he convince guys to play here.

We just don't win a lot of those and you have multiple reports that he's really bad at recruiting. So thinknif we could get him more talent because overall the coaching itself has been fine.

[lamont]

There are 2-3 teams every year that we can't block- it's not just Bama

2014- it was OM, UPig, and Bama
2015/ it was Bama, LSU, and OM until the game was out of reach and we scored on the last 2 drives in the 4th
2016- it was LSU, Auburn, and Bama

Our lack of talent on the OL will always keep us in the 6-8 win range. The SEC is a LOS league.

[Dawg61]

There are 2-3 teams every year that we can't block- it's not just Bama

How many SEC programs have averaged 9.5 wins a year for the last 8 years?

[lamont]

How many SEC programs have averaged 9.5 wins a year for the last 8 years?

We don't average 9.5 wins per year under Mullen

Under 8 years of Mullen we have:

2 5 win seasons
2 6 win seasons
3 8 win seasons
1 10 win season

50% of Mullen's tenure we have won 6 games or less. And we also play the easiest OOC every season in the SEC. We have rarely played another P5 school outside the SEC in the regular season

And those are the kinds of results you expect with our OL recruiting

[Dawg61]

We don't average 9.5 wins per year under Mullen

Under 8 years of Mullen we have:

2 5 win seasons
2 6 win seasons
3 8 win seasons
1 10 win season

50% of Mullen's tenure we have won 6 games or less. And we also play the easiest OOC every season in the SEC. We have rarely played another P5 school outside the SEC in the regular season

And those are the kinds of results you expect with our OL recruiting

I know we haven't averaged 9.5 wins the last 8 years. That's not what I asked you. I asked you how many SEC teams have averaged 9.5 wins for 8 years?

[BrunswickDawg]

I know we haven't averaged 9.5 wins the last 8 years. That's not what I asked you. I asked you how many SEC teams have averaged 9.5 wins for 8 years?

Well, if you include Bowl/Post Season (which you should, they count) - Bama avg. 12.5 and LSU 9.75. UGA is the only other team close at 9.

West breaks down
Bama 12.5
LSU 9.75
T&M 8.8 (5 yrs in SEC)
AU 8.5
MSU 7.6
ARK 7.4
OM 6.8

East
UGA 9
UF 8.6
SC 8.1
MO 7.4 (5 yr)
UT 6.6
Vandy 5.1
KY 4.9

Our 8 years prior saw us average 3.6 wins per season.
And the Kang's "run" from 91-00 saw a 6.6 avg.

[I seen it dawg]

We don't average 9.5 wins per year under Mullen

Under 8 years of Mullen we have:

2 5 win seasons
2 6 win seasons
3 8 win seasons
1 10 win season

50% of Mullen's tenure we have won 6 games or less. And we also play the easiest OOC every season in the SEC. We have rarely played another P5 school outside the SEC in the regular season

And those are the kinds of results you expect with our OL recruiting

That's 7 per on average if scoring at home

[Really Clark?]

There are 2-3 teams every year that we can't block- it's not just Bama

2014- it was OM, UPig, and Bama
2015/ it was Bama, LSU, and OM until the game was out of reach and we scored on the last 2 drives in the 4th
2016- it was LSU, Auburn, and Bama

Our lack of talent on the OL will always keep us in the 6-8 win range. The SEC is a LOS league.

Wait a minute, as someone who wants Hev replaced, I can't let you cherry pick like that. That is completely intellectual and statistically dishonest. You can't just be aribitrary like that. You could take any team, even Bama, and make that type of accusation and make it hold up statistically that an OL has trouble with 2-3 teams a year. You have to have a baseline, context, a bigger sample size, similar opponents, and if you are going over multiple years you have to have a specific criteria. You cannot just take 2-3 arbitrary teams each season, with that also not exactly same, that we struggled with and say it's always 2-3 teams without some specific criteria. You can say that about every team in the country, college or pro, and made a weakness sound worse.

Conversely, same applies the opposite direction. You can't just cherry pick the best 2-3 games either. The man is an albatross as a recruiter and because of other issues he needs to be replaced. But he can coach football and the OL. Coach57, whom many many on here have respect for, as said it multiply times. That's not the issue. There are not many OL coach who are decent recruiters and I don't care if they are because they need to be a coach first and last. He just can't overcome his negative recruiting at this point (from the outside as well) to make up for it with his coaching.

[lamont]

Wait a minute, as someone who wants Hev replaced, I can't let you cherry pick like that. That is completely intellectual and statistically dishonest. You can't just be aribitrary like that. You could take any team, even Bama, and make that type of accusation and make it hold up statistically that an OL has trouble with 2-3 teams a year. You have to have a baseline, context, a bigger sample size, similar opponents, and if you are going over multiple years you have to have a specific criteria. You cannot just take 2-3 arbitrary teams each season, with that also not exactly same, that we struggled with and say it's always 2-3 teams without some specific criteria. You can say that about every team in the country, college or pro, and made a weakness sound worse.

Conversely, same applies the opposite direction. You can't just cherry pick the best 2-3 games either. The man is an albatross as a recruiter and because of other issues he needs to be replaced. But he can coach football and the OL. Coach57, whom many many on here have respect for, as said it multiply times. That's not the issue. There are not many OL coach who are decent recruiters and I don't care if they are because they need to be a coach first and last. He just can't overcome his negative recruiting at this point (from the outside as well) to make up for it with his coaching.

Hev is a very good OL coach- I've never said different. But I do say that we simply don't recruit enough talent on the OL to have a serious chance at winning the SEC

[msstate7]

There are 2-3 teams every year that we can't block- it's not just Bama

2014- it was OM, UPig, and Bama
2015/ it was Bama, LSU, and OM until the game was out of reach and we scored on the last 2 drives in the 4th
2016- it was LSU, Auburn, and Bama

Our lack of talent on the OL will always keep us in the 6-8 win range. The SEC is a LOS league.

Isn't that true for every team in the sec save bama?

[Commercecomet24]

Isn't that true for every team in the sec save bama?

Yes.

[msstate7]

Yes.

Kinda what I thought. So if we get rid of our oline coach that obviously does a decent to good job, will we be guaranteed to recruit olinemen better than aTm, lsu, auburn, etc?

[msstate7]

We don't average 9.5 wins per year under Mullen

Under 8 years of Mullen we have:

2 5 win seasons
2 6 win seasons
3 8 win seasons
1 10 win season

50% of Mullen's tenure we have won 6 games or less. And we also play the easiest OOC every season in the SEC. We have rarely played another P5 school outside the SEC in the regular season

And those are the kinds of results you expect with our OL recruiting

Yet smart won 8 games this year according to you.

[lamont]

Yet smart won 8 games this year according to you.

Smart was 7-5 in the regular season. That's where you are judged

[msstate7]

Never argue with just one person. There is always going to be one or two posters that don't get it.

Apparently Mullen doesn't get it either. If only Mullen were as smart as us on ED...

[msstate7]

Smart was 7-5 in the regular season. That's where you are judged

Bama should be champions... they were 12-0 in regular season and Clemson was only 11-1.

[lamont]

Bama should be champions... they were 12-0 in regular season and Clemson was only 11-1.

You are just being thick headed on purpose right now.

Bama was judged on their regular season and chosen for the playoffs.
We were judged on our regular season and played a nobody from a shit conference

[msstate7]

Hev is a very good OL coach- I've never said different. But I do say that we simply don't recruit enough talent on the OL to have a serious chance at winning the SEC

Apparently neither does lsu, Georgia, Florida, aTm, etc

[maroonmania]

Apparently neither does lsu, Georgia, Florida, aTm, etc

Look, for EVERYONE that is totally happy with what we are doing currently, that being winning from 5-8 games a year (regular season), then its all good. Hev is your man and we are good to go. Now, some of us would like to TRY and improve rather than just sit at status quo with an artificial ceiling because we have an assistant coach over one of our most important units on the field that is a horse's rear end to deal with and can't develop relationships with HS coaches BECAUSE of that.

[msstate7]

You are just being thick headed on purpose right now.

Bama was judged on their regular season and chosen for the playoffs.
We were judged on our regular season and played a nobody from a shit conference

Postseason games count. You telling me our win over Michigan in '10 was less than our win over Alcorn state?