What's this smoking gun the bear's are talking about

[ATTILLA THE DOG]

I've seen it mentioned o 3 of their boards,but nobody will say what it is.Some have said it's program altering,based on a tip the ncaa got about the 2013 class.Any of y'all know anything.

[HSVDawg]

I've seen it mentioned o 3 of their boards,but nobody will say what it is.Some have said it's program altering,based on a tip the ncaa got about the 2013 class.Any of y'all know anything.

It's hard to imagine anything being more program altering than the head coach being on an in-home visit with a booster, or a player admitting on national TV that members of the coaching staff were funneling impermissible benefits to players. Both of those are already public knowledge. If there is something else out there even bigger than those, then grab the popcorn.

[RocketDawg]

It's hard to imagine anything being more program altering than the head coach being on an in-home visit with a booster, or a player admitting on national TV that members of the coaching staff were funneling impermissible benefits to players. Both of those are already public knowledge. If there is something else out there even bigger than those, then grab the popcorn.

Could it be something like huge signing bonuses? So far, in my limited knowledge of the subject, it seems like amounts of money have been pretty small, like paying a $400 "light" bill.

[Really Clark?]

Could it be something like huge signing bonuses? So far, in my limited knowledge of the subject, it seems like amounts of money have been pretty small, like paying a $400 "light" bill.

The very first allegation, each subsection was a lot more than that and totals nearly $7,500. Their misinformation does it job a lot more than people think. Not picking on you, but without the CL constantly keeping the truth in the general public, even people who are on message boards believe their lies like this. And when they say there was no pay for play, that is a complete lie. That is exactly what impermissible benefits are. Doesn't have to be cash. Free loaner cars count as well.

[redstickdawg]

The very first allegation, each subsection was a lot more than that and totals nearly $7,500. Their misinformation does it job a lot more than people think. Not picking on you, but without the CL constantly keeping the truth in the general public, even people who are on message boards believe their lies like this. And when they say there was no pay for play, that is a complete lie. That is exactly what impermissible benefits are. Doesn't have to be cash. Free loaner cars count as well.

When does the IRS or other legal entity get involved with this issue, it is classic money laundering.

[RocketDawg]

The very first allegation, each subsection was a lot more than that and totals nearly $7,500. Their misinformation does it job a lot more than people think. Not picking on you, but without the CL constantly keeping the truth in the general public, even people who are on message boards believe their lies like this. And when they say there was no pay for play, that is a complete lie. That is exactly what impermissible benefits are. Doesn't have to be cash. Free loaner cars count as well.

Yeah, I recall it being in the neighborhood of $7500. But that's still small. I had in mind 6 figures, and new cars, etc. Paying a $400 utility bill or an aggregate of $7500 may be just as bad as far as the NCAA is concerned, but it doesn't sound as bad.

[Really Clark?]

Yeah, I recall it being in the neighborhood of $7500. But that's still small. I had in mind 6 figures, and new cars, etc. Paying a $400 utility bill or an aggregate of $7500 may be just as bad as far as the NCAA is concerned, but it doesn't sound as bad.

With the many ways to hide money today, any school getting caught for a big one time payment are idiots and deserve immediate death penalty. And the NCAA don't have to have the big payment to hammer a school. It is a public perception deal, I understand that, but it is extremely hard to find that proof today.

[missouridawg]

Could it be something like huge signing bonuses? So far, in my limited knowledge of the subject, it seems like amounts of money have been pretty small, like paying a $400 "light" bill.

I've always heard that they give bonuses to commit. And I think there is a reason why so many highly rated players take visits to OM (visit bonus). And I've also heard that they pay out in monthly installments. Essentially, if you agreed to taking $100K... you'll get that paid out per month over your career.

[Political Hack]

I've always heard that they give bonuses to commit. And I think there is a reason why so many highly rated players take visits to OM (visit bonus). And I've also heard that they pay out in monthly installments. Essentially, if you agreed to taking $100K... you'll get that paid out per month over your career.

They've paid players to decommit from us. Paid them to not mention State in their interviews when asked what schools they're considering. Etc... They'll pay for damn near anything.

[Dawgowar]

They've paid players to decommit from us. Paid them to not mention State in their interviews when asked what schools they're considering. Etc... They'll pay for damn near anything.

Not refuting your allegations, but it were proven they paid players to decommit or not mention us, or any other SEC school, then their being tossed from the conference would be a forgone conclusion. That would not only be cheating but, an overt act to harm other schools - nobody would let that slide. If they did it to other schools, then it would be item one on the agenda of the next SEC meeting.

Right now, my view is that they have their own internal problems. Butt sore former employees/coaches, and as always is the situation in cases like this- self-righteous non-athletic department types, all itching to ratt out the flagship. This may not be just a perfect storm, but a nuclear meltdown the likes of which makes SMU look like 9 over 3.

[BossDawg]

They've paid players to decommit from us. Paid them to not mention State in their interviews when asked what schools they're considering. Etc... They'll pay for damn near anything.

I've heard that, too. That's about as sorry as you can get, especially considering the time they put into trying to convince everyone that they couldn't care less about State.

[starkvegasdawg]

Hugh is considering coming out as a transvestite faith healer that sings show tunes at private parties and certain hair salons on the square. Lil Kim hired him a couple years ago as entertainment in Atlanta, but he was so awful he jumped out a window to get away from it.

[InTheIttaBenaHotSun]

Hugh is considering coming out as a transvestite faith healer that sings show tunes at private parties and certain hair salons on the square. Lil Kim hired him a couple years ago as entertainment in Atlanta, but he was so awful he jumped out a window to get away from it.

Question is.....Did he remember to grab his Sax before he made the jump?

[ShotgunDawg]

Not sure, but the NCAA doesn't need proof or a smoking gun to smoke them.

It's one of the most mis-understood foundations of the American legal system.

You don't need proof, you just need "guilty beyond reasonable doubt". The difference between "proof" & "Beyond Reasonable Doubt" is enormous.

Not sure why the Bears don't understand that

As to your question, I have no idea about a smoking gun. I still find if funny though how they'll blame everyone but themselves

[blacklistedbully]

Not sure, but the NCAA doesn't need proof or a smoking gun to smoke them.

It's one of the most mis-understood foundations of the American legal system.

You don't need proof, you just need "guilty beyond reasonable doubt". The difference between "proof" & "Beyond Reasonable Doubt" is enormous.

Not sure why the Bears don't understand that

As to your question, I have no idea about a smoking gun. I still find if funny though how they'll blame everyone but themselves

This is not a legal issue. It has nothing to do with legal requirements. The NCAA is a club with a governing body. They have been empowered by the members to create, administer, modify, regulate, etc the rules of membership. They are also empowered to enforce those rules...not based on the rule-of-law, but on the club rules ass member institutions agreed to as a condition of membership.

[ShotgunDawg]

This is not a legal issue. It has nothing to do with legal requirements, The NCAA is a club with a governing body. They have been empowered by the members to create, administer, modify, regulate, etc the rules of membership. They are also empowered to enforce those rules...not based on the rule-of-law, but on the club rules ass member institutions agreed to as a condition of membership.

Absolutely agree, but the legal system cultivates our expectations of the needed level of evidence to hand down sanctions. Just was just putting this forth to explain how the level of evidence that the average Bear fan believe the NCAA needs is an invalid expectation.

[Chip]

This is not a legal issue. It has nothing to do with legal requirements, The NCAA is a club with a governing body. They have been empowered by the members to create, administer, modify, regulate, etc the rules of membership. They are also empowered to enforce those rules...not based on the rule-of-law, but on the club rules ass member institutions agreed to as a condition of membership.

Yes. This is a concept lost on many of the Bears.

[Political Hack]

Not sure, but the NCAA doesn't need proof or a smoking gun to smoke them.

It's one of the most mis-understood foundations of the American legal system.

You don't need proof, you just need "guilty beyond reasonable doubt". The difference between "proof" & "Beyond Reasonable Doubt" is enormous.

Not sure why the Bears don't understand that

As to your question, I have no idea about a smoking gun. I still find if funny though how they'll blame everyone but themselves

The NCAA has absolutely nothing to do with the American legal system. They're a club that colleges join and accept their rules. Boosters do not join and do not accept their rules, but the schools are still penalized for booster actions.

The NCAA is closer to a home owners association than a "legal system."

[ShotgunDawg]

Maybe Kiffin ratted them out in exchange for being allowed to work under his brother

[Bass Chaser]

Maybe Kiffin ratted them out in exchange for being allowed to work under his brother

After watching the segment on Donnie Tyndall, I think one or more coaches were offered immunity.