Does Cohen Give Mullen An Extension Without Firing Hev first?

[ShotgunDawg]

I swear we could pick 5 random people off this board that could recruit and evaluate better than this turd.

As someone said in the other thread, 4 of our 5 starting OL had no other power 5 offers.

Are we Wake Forest, Purdue, Rutgers?

Where is the standard? Why can the DL be almost exclusively 4 and 5 stars while the OL is Sunbelt?

Can someone enlighten me because I'm lost.

[msstate7]

Rushing offense -- 5th in sec
Sacks allowed -- 2nd in sec
TFL allowed -- 3rd in sec

So, were the recruiting rankings wrong or is Hev a good coach? Seems it would have to be one or the other.

Definitely want to improve oline recruiting... not saying I'm happy with that. I do think Hev gets ripped when his group has consistently outperformed say our safeties, yet all we hear is oline

[ShotgunDawg]

Rushing offense -- 5th in sec
Sacks allowed -- 2nd in sec
TFL allowed -- 3rd in sec

So, were the recruiting rankings wrong or is Hev a good coach? Seems it would have to be one or the other.

Definitely want to improve oline recruiting... not saying I'm happy with that. I do think Hev gets ripped when his group has consistently outperformed say our safeties, yet all we hear is oline

This has to be one of the strangest abnormalities/conundrums in the SEC

[Todd4State]

Rushing offense -- 5th in sec
Sacks allowed -- 2nd in sec
TFL allowed -- 3rd in sec

So, were the recruiting rankings wrong or is Hev a good coach? Seems it would have to be one or the other.

Definitely want to improve oline recruiting... not saying I'm happy with that. I do think Hev gets ripped when his group has consistently outperformed say our safeties, yet all we hear is oline

The thing about stats is they only tell the story about what you actually have and not what the stats would be if you had better talent, so there's no comparison. That said we can assume that better talent would likely result in better production- even though the production may not be statistically "bad".

Here's the difference between the safeties and o-line for us. Our safety coach left last year. So if it was a coaching issue that was resolved. Hughes while I don't think he was the best coach on our staff brought value with his recruiting. We went out and landed two really good JUCO safeties to help try to fix the problem. On the o-line we constantly miss our targets and nothing seems to be done about it. While our o-line is good enough to do well against lesser SEC teams and OOC teams, it constantly struggles with top level SEC teams to the point where you could argue that it is holding us back from getting more signature wins.

Hevesy has ZERO o-linemen drafted by the NFL that played for him for 4-5 years that weren't recruited by Sylvester Croom. He has had a couple of free agents like Clausell and Day but neither of those are likely long term NFL players.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Rushing offense -- 5th in sec
Sacks allowed -- 2nd in sec
TFL allowed -- 3rd in sec

So, were the recruiting rankings wrong or is Hev a good coach? Seems it would have to be one or the other.

Definitely want to improve oline recruiting... not saying I'm happy with that. I do think Hev gets ripped when his group has consistently outperformed say our safeties, yet all we hear is oline

Having the best running QB in the conference probably disguises the issue statistically.

[DownwardDawg]

Having the best running QB in the conference probably disguises the issue statistically.

^^^This

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Nm

[Dawgology]

Having the best running QB in the conference probably disguises the issue statistically.

Exactly. It's not a mystery that when Fitz started putting things together it helped the O-Line. On the other hand, when the OL started putting it together Fitz started performing better due to more time int he pocket, correct gaps opening, etc. It's a two way street. I think what we had at the beginning of the year was an offense trying to learn to win without Dak. Any time a team loses an athlete and leader like that you will have sharp drop-off and a big learning curve. Now our defense just needs to get their shit together.

I think, overall, Hev has coached our OL very well during his tenure. Often he has turned subpar OL into adequate OL. The problem I have is that we shouldn't be starting with subpar OL. That comes dowm to recruiting tactics and I think that is Hev's biggest weakness. If we could take him off the recruiting trail and let him just be an on-the-field coach I think we would be golden.

[lamont]

Rushing offense -- 5th in sec
Sacks allowed -- 2nd in sec
TFL allowed -- 3rd in sec

So, were the recruiting rankings wrong or is Hev a good coach? Seems it would have to be one or the other.

Definitely want to improve oline recruiting... not saying I'm happy with that. I do think Hev gets ripped when his group has consistently outperformed say our safeties, yet all we hear is oline

But as usual- we couldn't block Bama, Auburn, or LSU

[msstate7]

Having the best running QB in the conference probably disguises the issue statistically.

How much did 2 5* RBs (Michel and Chubb) that will both be NFL help Georgia's oline?

Rushing offense -- 9th in sec
TFL allowed -- 11th in sec
Sacks allowed -- 6th in sec

Didn't face bama or lsu either.

Starting Georgia oline...

LT -- Catalina (transfer picked GA over Auburn)
LG --wynn 4*
C -- kublanow 4*
RG -- gaillard 4*
RT -- pyke 4*

Go to 247 and check those guys' offer sheets

[msstate7]

But as usual- we couldn't block Bama, Auburn, or LSU

Scoring defense nationally...

1. Bama
5. Lsu
7. Auburn

Seemed to be a problem for everyone.

[defiantdog]

How much did 2 5* RBs (Michel and Chubb) that will both be NFL help Georgia's oline?

Rushing offense -- 9th in sec
TFL allowed -- 11th in sec
Sacks allowed -- 6th in sec

Starting Georgia oline...

LT -- Catalina (transfer picked GA over Auburn)
LG --wynn 4*
C -- kublanow 4*
RG -- gaillard 4*
RT -- pyke 4*

And Georgia has to replace their LT, C, and RT next year. They'll have a young OL next year.

[mparkerfd20]

I swear you guys go WAY overboard in your Hev hate. The guy can flat out coach OL. While I do wish we would get better prospects on the front-end, you can't deny the progress our linemen make throughout the year and year-to-year.

[MetEdDawg]

But as usual- we couldn't block Bama, Auburn, or LSU

This is really all I care about. We will be an at best 10 win team forever with Hevesy at the helm of the OL. He may get the most out of the guys we get, but that potential is limited by the players we bring in. Until that changes, Hevesy is our ceiling and he is most certainly at a minimum partly involved in the recruiting aspect of the OL. You can throw out all the stats. The eye test says the big boys beat up our OL more than we take it too them, preventing us from scoring enough points to win. That's just facts.

I know everyone and their brother loses to Alabama right now, but if we play .500 ball against Auburn over Mullen's career and continue to lose to LSU, we can't every get to Atlanta unless the stars align perfectly. And frankly I'm tired of praying the stars align. Ready to make it look like we are taking it to people instead of just wishing everything lined up perfectly.

[Jack Lambert]

I swear we could pick 5 random people off this board that could recruit and evaluate better than this turd.

As someone said in the other thread, 4 of our 5 starting OL had no other power 5 offers.

Are we Wake Forest, Purdue, Rutgers?

Where is the standard? Why can the DL be almost exclusively 4 and 5 stars while the OL is Sunbelt?

Can someone enlighten me because I'm lost.

Our six win season wasn't because of the O Line. It's because of the Defense sucking.

[Reason2succeed]

But as usual- we couldn't block Bama, Auburn, or LSU

Who could? OM thrived off quick passes.

[Coach007]

This has to be one of the strangest abnormalities/conundrums in the SEC

Or maybe you are just wrong...

[Reason2succeed]

This is really all I care about. We will be an at best 10 win team forever with Hevesy at the helm of the OL. He may get the most out of the guys we get, but that potential is limited by the players we bring in. Until that changes, Hevesy is our ceiling and he is most certainly at a minimum partly involved in the recruiting aspect of the OL. You can throw out all the stats. The eye test says the big boys beat up our OL more than we take it too them, preventing us from scoring enough points to win. That's just facts.

I know everyone and their brother loses to Alabama right now, but if we play .500 ball against Auburn over Mullen's career and continue to lose to LSU, we can't every get to Atlanta unless the stars align perfectly. And frankly I'm tired of praying the stars align. Ready to make it look like we are taking it to people instead of just wishing everything lined up perfectly.

Other than Alabama and Ohio State (because of a weak B1G) what teams don't have to pray for the stars to align? We play THE eventual national championship winner (or #1 contender) every single year. If Clemson, Florida State, Ohio State, or Oklahoma were in the SEC West they would have to "pray for the stars to align" too.

I'm not saying that Hev should stay or we should be content. All I'm saying is that we have to have a realistic perspective about where we are, who we are, and what we are up against. When all those things are put in perspective Hev looks like a coach that doesn't recruit stars well but does make the most out of the OL he has.

[RougeDawg]

Having the best running QB in the conference probably disguises the issue statistically.

As did JRob and Dak in 2014. Plus this year we have seen what Dak can do with a competent OLIne.

ETA if Dak had any other SECWest OLIne in 2014, we most likely win it all. Think of how sad of a statement that is.

[RougeDawg]

How much did 2 5* RBs (Michel and Chubb) that will both be NFL help Georgia's oline?

Rushing offense -- 9th in sec
TFL allowed -- 11th in sec
Sacks allowed -- 6th in sec

Didn't face bama or lsu either.

Starting Georgia oline...

LT -- Catalina (transfer picked GA over Auburn)
LG --wynn 4*
C -- kublanow 4*
RG -- gaillard 4*
RT -- pyke 4*

Go to 247 and check those guys' offer sheets

Georgia has a statue for QB. That's the difference. The Defense does not have to account for him. Look at our offense with TR vs Dak in 2014. Or look at it this year with Holloway vs Every other RB. Holloway was a non factor so it was essentially 11 on 10.

Why must people continue to compare apples to lava rocks, in order to push a point or agenda?