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Originally Posted by
blacklistedbully
My take is, some of Oregon's success coincided with USC's downfall. USc is back...Washington is clearly back...Washington State is even good by P12 standards, Stanford has been a player for several years now, etc.
With Dan...although he is FANTASTIC as some things, he seems to have an unwillingness to adapt or learn from some of his mistakes. He makes the same ones year-after-year-after-year...and it pretty much costs us a couple of losses per year over and above the ones we should lose, like Bama, at LSU, etc.
Oregon, due to their recent success, is looking for a coach who will lead them back to dominating the Pac12 and put them back in national contention. If Dan goes there and continues to blow a couple of games a year that they should win...they'd turn their backs on him rather quickly, IMO.
Plus, Oregon's real problem right now is putting a competent defense on the field? How much is Dan going to help with that?
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Originally Posted by
Jack Lambert
I still want Mullen to come out say hell no it isn't true.
THIS! This has been one of the big problems we have had with Dan that hurts our recruiting. Even if he ultimately interviews and even leaves...come out now publicly and say you are not leaving...you are happy as hell here at State...and you are looking forward to working towards championships at MSU.
Say publicly you are not speaking to anyone about another job...that you are happy where your are, and plan to be here for years to come.
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Originally Posted by
HSVDawg
Why not?
Sept. 2****
CHARLESTON SOUTHERN*****
Starkville, Miss. (Davis Wade Stadium)
[b]Win[b]
Sept. 9* ******
at Louisiana Tech *******************************
Ruston, La. (Joe Aillet Stadium)
Win
Sept. 16 ***************
LSU * **************************************************
Starkville, Miss. (Davis Wade Stadium)
Loss
Sept. 23****************
at Georgia * ***************************************
Athens, Ga. (Sanford Stadium)
Toss up
Sept. 30* **********
at Auburn * *************************************
Auburn, Ala. (Jordan Hare Stadium)
Toss up favoring Auburn
Oct. 14 ************
BYU ************************************
Starkville, Miss. (Davis Wade Stadium)
Win
Oct. 21********************
KENTUCKY *
Starkville, Miss. (Davis Wade Stadium)
Revenge: Win
Oct. 28
at Texas A&M * ********************
College Station, Texas (Kyle Field)
Toss up favoring A&M
Nov. 4************
UMASS
Starkville, Miss. (Davis Wade Stadium) *
Win
Nov. 11 ****
ALABAMA * ****
Starkville, Miss. (Davis Wade Stadium)
Loss
Nov. 18 ***********
at Arkansas *
Fayetteville, Ark. (Razorback Stadium)
We have been good against Arkansas recentely: Toss up
Nov. 23 (Thu.) **
OLE MISS * **************************
Starkville, Miss. (Davis Wade Stadium)
Win
I have 6 wins and several tossups. We could win 8. Gonna have to have a lot fall into place on the road in the SEC.
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I don't Understand why people are so high on fleck. He went from a receivers coach to a head coach in the MAC, where's he's gone a whopping 30-21. Seems kinda prisoner of the moment to be in love with that guy.
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Originally Posted by
DudyDawg
I don't Understand why people are so high on fleck. He went from a receivers coach to a head coach in the MAC, where's he's gone a whopping 30-21. Seems kinda prisoner of the moment to be in love with that guy.
Take out his first season where he won one game and then look at his record and look at Western Michigan's history. He would be an absolute home run of a hire. His only weakness is no one on his staff with Mississippi ties.
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CDM needs to shoot this shit down ASAP.. Wether he is an actual candidate, interviews for it , or whatever he needs to address it now.
Do exactly what Herman did and let your agent handle all the dirty stuff.. This EE class is super important.
And Other schools are using this against us. believe what you want but this could spiral downward really fast over the next few days..
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Originally Posted by
DudyDawg
I don't Understand why people are so high on fleck. He went from a receivers coach to a head coach in the MAC, where's he's gone a whopping 30-21. Seems kinda prisoner of the moment to be in love with that guy.
Fleck is great. Throwing out overall record for a coach who took over a dumpster fire is always a way people try to discredit those coaches.
Dabo also went from WR coach to HC.
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Originally Posted by
Ari Gold
CDM needs to shoot this shit down ASAP.. Wether he is an actual candidate, interviews for it , or whatever he needs to address it now.
Do exactly what Herman did and let your agent handle all the dirty stuff.. This EE class is super important.
And Other schools are using this against us. believe what you want but this could spiral downward really fast over the next few days..
Yep, I agree. But Dan ain't gonna do it. It's not his style. He enjoys this shit.
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Originally Posted by
Ari Gold
CDM needs to shoot this shit down ASAP.. Wether he is an actual candidate, interviews for it , or whatever he needs to address it now.
Do exactly what Herman did and let your agent handle all the dirty stuff.. This EE class is super important.
And Other schools are using this against us. believe what you want but this could spiral downward really fast over the next few days..
Shoot what down? Is he going to need to constantly shoot down every random blog rumor that our own fans then blow out of proportion?
If this stuff actually hurts our recruiting, then threads like this are far more to blame than Mullen not coming out publicly to turn down a job he was never offered.
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Originally Posted by
mstatefan91
Sept. 2****
CHARLESTON SOUTHERN*****
Starkville, Miss. (Davis Wade Stadium)
[b]Win[b]
Sept. 9* ******
at Louisiana Tech *******************************
Ruston, La. (Joe Aillet Stadium)
Win
Sept. 16 ***************
LSU * **************************************************
Starkville, Miss. (Davis Wade Stadium)
Loss
Sept. 23****************
at Georgia * ***************************************
Athens, Ga. (Sanford Stadium)
Toss up
Sept. 30* **********
at Auburn * *************************************
Auburn, Ala. (Jordan Hare Stadium)
Toss up favoring Auburn
Oct. 14 ************
BYU ************************************
Starkville, Miss. (Davis Wade Stadium)
Win
Oct. 21********************
KENTUCKY *
Starkville, Miss. (Davis Wade Stadium)
Revenge: Win
Oct. 28
at Texas A&M * ********************
College Station, Texas (Kyle Field)
Toss up favoring A&M
Nov. 4************
UMASS
Starkville, Miss. (Davis Wade Stadium) *
Win
Nov. 11 ****
ALABAMA * ****
Starkville, Miss. (Davis Wade Stadium)
Loss
Nov. 18 ***********
at Arkansas *
Fayetteville, Ark. (Razorback Stadium)
We have been good against Arkansas recentely: Toss up
Nov. 23 (Thu.) **
OLE MISS * **************************
Starkville, Miss. (Davis Wade Stadium)
Win
I have 6 wins and several tossups. We could win 8. Gonna have to have a lot fall into place on the road in the SEC.
We will win Atleast 2 of these...
Auburn, aTm, UGA, Arky.
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There are only two knocks with Fleck. First is the ra-ra stuff he does is contrived or comes off that way. He will either have to tone it down (which I believe he would) or it has to be the perfect fit with the majority of the fan base and recruiting base to embrace that. Secondly, W Mich to a mid-upper tier Power 5 program is a big jump. He may be better served to going to Cincinnati first. There are still many who think he is in play with Oregon but there were a lot of rumors that if he was the guy he would interview Fri night early Sat morning and be named quickly. That didn't happen and they have already interviewed at least 4 guys and conducting interviews in NY today as well.
Last edited by Really Clark?; 12-05-2016 at 06:43 PM.
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Originally Posted by
smootness
Shoot what down? Is he going to need to constantly shoot down every random blog rumor that our own fans then blow out of proportion?
If this stuff actually hurts our recruiting, then threads like this are far more to blame than Mullen not coming out publicly to turn down a job he was never offered.
Yes to the first....You're naive with that second paragraph
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I thought these type threads were getting locked?
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Originally Posted by
smootness
Shoot what down? Is he going to need to constantly shoot down every random blog rumor that our own fans then blow out of proportion?
If this stuff actually hurts our recruiting, then threads like this are far more to blame than Mullen not coming out publicly to turn down a job he was never offered.
It's more than "random blog rumors". Pete Thamel has mentioned it, as have multiple sources. Let's not pretend it's not "out there" being talked about nationally.
And how much time does it take to simply make a statement each time something like this comes up? It's not that hard. Others have done it. When a coach doesn't do it...the speculation that it's true grows, and it's used against us in recruiting.
And it can't be some cute non-denial denial, like, "I don;t know where that's coming from, and that's just a sign people are excited about what we're accomplishing in Starkville", etc.
Make a definitive statement that you are NOT interested in the other job. The rumors are unfounded and you are completely focused solely on the job at hand at MSU.
Do that, or don't get an extension when you might next otherwise deserve one.
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Originally Posted by
blacklistedbully
It's more than "random blog rumors". Pete Thamel has mentioned it, as have multiple sources. Let's not pretend it's not "out there" being talked about nationally.
And how much time does it take to simply make a statement each time something like this comes up? It's not that hard. Others have done it. When a coach doesn't do it...the speculation that it's true grows, and it's used against us in recruiting.
And it can't be some cute non-denial denial, like, "I don;t know where that's coming from, and that's just a sign people are excited about what we're accomplishing in Starkville", etc.
Make a definitive statement that you are NOT interested in the other job. The rumors are unfounded and you are completely focused solely on the job at hand at MSU.
Do that, or don't get an extension when you might next otherwise deserve one.
It doesn't matter. McElwain just did that and are still rumors with him today stronger than Mullen. Going so far to say he is working behind the scenes to get the job. It can and will still be used until they name a coach.
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Originally Posted by
blacklistedbully
It's more than "random blog rumors". Pete Thamel has mentioned it, as have multiple sources. Let's not pretend it's not "out there" being talked about nationally.
And how much time does it take to simply make a statement each time something like this comes up? It's not that hard. Others have done it. When a coach doesn't do it...the speculation that it's true grows, and it's used against us in recruiting.
And it can't be some cute non-denial denial, like, "I don;t know where that's coming from, and that's just a sign people are excited about what we're accomplishing in Starkville", etc.
Make a definitive statement that you are NOT interested in the other job. The rumors are unfounded and you are completely focused solely on the job at hand at MSU.
Do that, or don't get an extension when you might next otherwise deserve one.
It doesn't matter. McElwain just did that and are still rumors with him today stronger than Mullen. Going so far to say he is working behind the scenes to get the job. It can and will still be used until they name a coach.
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Originally Posted by
Really Clark?
It doesn't matter. McElwain just did that and are still rumors with him today stronger than Mullen. Going so far to say he is working behind the scenes to get the job. It can and will still be used until they name a coach.
Yep. Besides, he may actually want to see what they have to offer while being perfectly content with staying in Starkville...so coming out with a statement can make him look like a liar
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Originally Posted by
blacklistedbully
Oregon, due to their recent success, is looking for a coach who will lead them back to dominating the Pac12 and put them back in national contention. If Dan goes there and continues to blow a couple of games a year that they should win...they'd turn their backs on him rather quickly, IMO.
One year seems a little quick to tack that label on him. Prior to this year wasn't there only one loss in 7 years when favored?
While I don't think there's much to the Oregon reports, I think Dan would be good anywhere he went. Great? Maybe, maybe not.
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But at least Mcilwain came out and said it. Let the agent do the behind the scenes shit.
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Originally Posted by
blacklistedbully
THIS! This has been one of the big problems we have had with Dan that hurts our recruiting. Even if he ultimately interviews and even leaves...come out now publicly and say you are not leaving...you are happy as hell here at State...and you are looking forward to working towards championships at MSU.
Say publicly you are not speaking to anyone about another job...that you are happy where your are, and plan to be here for years to come.
If we had given him a contract extension I would agree ... but there is no way he will deny it while waiting on an extension - at least I wouldn't if it were me... that's just not the smart move
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