Here is the NCAA's problem with Ole Miss

[ShotgunDawg]

With most rule violations in college athletics, the NCAA comes in, investigates, hands down sanctions, and someone is blamed and fired.

What makes the Ole Miss situation unique, is that their isn't one, two, or a group of people to blame. Hugh Freeze was specifically hired because the school supporters knew he'd go along with the way they wanted to recruit. Bjork was a young, naive AD specifically hired to look the other way. Does just firing these people solve the problem?

What about Archie? He led a coaching search to find a coach that would be ok with cheating.
What about others?

The NCAA's problem with Ole Miss is that they are dealing with a school that initiated a pre-meditated, systematic form of institutionalized cheating. Their are hoards of people involved in numerous allegations across the board.

This is complicated and it will be interesting how the NCAA handles this.

[Hunkaburningdawg]

And now the nation is watching.

[Tbonewannabe]

This is basically worse than SMU. The UM people are just rotten to the core and I don't know what the NCAA can do. It is obvious from their continuation on recruiting that even though the NCAA is in town they didn't even slow down buying players like another #1 OT to replace previously purchased Tunsil.

[BulldogBear]

50 over 2, aka death penalty. They deserve it.

[AlmostPositive]

This is ust a small matter of street drugs, illegal cash, sorority prostitutes and academic fraud. Nothing that a few Chris Low's and Barrett Sallee's can't paper over.

[BulldogBear]

This is ust a small matter of street drugs, illegal cash, sorority prostitutes and academic fraud. Nothing that a few Chris Low's and Barrett Sallee's can't paper over.

Has Salley come out with anything yet? I can't wait.

[maroonmania]

Yea, this is WAY beyond lack of institutional control. This is the actual entrenchment of institutional cheating. Its one thing when the institution isn't actively preventing cheating and let's it occur which is what I would deem as "lack of institutional control" but its another when the leaders of an institution are knee deep in it themselves and propagating a whole culture of cheating.

[QuadrupleOption]

With most rule violations in college athletics, the NCAA comes in, investigates, hands down sanctions, and someone is blamed and fired.

What makes the Ole Miss situation unique, is that their isn't one, two, or a group of people to blame. Hugh Freeze was specifically hired because the school supporters knew he'd go along with the way they wanted to recruit. Bjork was a young, naive AD specifically hired to look the other way. Does just firing these people solve the problem?

What about Archie? He led a coaching search to find a coach that would be ok with cheating.
What about others?

The NCAA's problem with Ole Miss is that they are dealing with a school that initiated a pre-meditated, systematic form of institutionalized cheating. Their are hoards of people involved in numerous allegations across the board.

This is complicated and it will be interesting how the NCAA handles this.

I bet Billy Brewer would have a few things to say about Ole Miss' network.

However, in December 1993, Brewer and Ole Miss were again hit by allegations of recruiting violations. The NCAA would eventually cite the program for 15 transgressions, all of them serious and some of them embarrassingly lurid. An NCAA report said that Ole Miss boosters and coaches had offered recruits gifts, including cash and, in one case, a car. Boosters were also accused of breaking national rules by taking recruits 30 miles outside of Oxford, sometimes to strip clubs in Memphis. Most damningly, the NCAA alleged that Ole Miss officials knowingly allowed the violations to occur, demonstrating a lack of institutional control of the football program.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Brewer

[BulldogBear]

Yea, this is WAY beyond lack of institutional control. This is the actual entrenchment of institutional cheating. Its one thing when the institution isn't actively preventing cheating and let's it occur which is what I would deem as "lack of institutional control" but its another when the leaders of an institution are knee deep in it themselves and propagating a whole culture of cheating.

Exactly. This is death penalty level stuff.

If they were smart, they would clean house, self impose a 1-2 year bowl ban and impose 20 or so over 4-5. Then hope that would be the end of it.

[Bully13]

Having coaches and asst ad's involved will scortch them

[TrapGame]

I know they say the NCAA will not give om the death penalty but you have to think at this point it is on the table.

[gravedigger]

With most rule violations in college athletics, the NCAA comes in, investigates, hands down sanctions, and someone is blamed and fired.

What makes the Ole Miss situation unique, is that their isn't one, two, or a group of people to blame. Hugh Freeze was specifically hired because the school supporters knew he'd go along with the way they wanted to recruit. Bjork was a young, naive AD specifically hired to look the other way. Does just firing these people solve the problem?

What about Archie? He led a coaching search to find a coach that would be ok with cheating.
What about others?

The NCAA's problem with Ole Miss is that they are dealing with a school that initiated a pre-meditated, systematic form of institutionalized cheating. Their are hoards of people involved in numerous allegations across the board.

This is complicated and it will be interesting how the NCAA handles this.

The problem is simply this: there couldn't have been a bigger audience for this fiasco than last night. Being a candidate for a 1st pick and how far he was going to drop due to the Titans trade made MANY watch. THen the bomb dropped and people across the country were glued to their sets for hours. Now, everyone knows the story, or what they think is the story.

MEANWHILE the ncaa is deciding what to do with them. The non sec football world wants blood.

And the ncaa has to choose how much.

[1bigdawg]

There is more, much more, public evidence than in any case in NCAA history, including SMU. We will see what the NCAA does with it.

[ShotgunDawg]

If they were smart, they would clean house, self impose a 1-2 year bowl ban and impose 20 or so over 4-5. Then hope that would be the end of it.

They've got waaaay too much pride and arrogance to do this.

I get the sense that Ole Miss people hold such a pride in the aesthetic beauty of their town and campus that they'd rather accept worse sanctions than to admit that their recruiting had nothing to do with Oxford, parties, the Grove, or beautiful campus.

They seriously have so much pride in those things that they'd rather get punished worse than to admit reality.

[redstickdawg]

There is a reason that there have been no statements from those pricks, they are too arrogant to realize how deep the hole that they are in really is. The administration is either involved in this hip deep or they are now awakened to the depth of the corruption.

[Reason2succeed]

They may not get the Death Penalty but they will get a Buried Alive Penalty. Walk-Ons will have legitimate shots at starting time at OM when the NCAA is through.