We are lacking in several areas.....

[weblow]

After having a 5-1 lead we piss it away and end the game in a tie due to a curfew. Ties are BS in baseball but whatever.

Us not being on TV Friday and today and not being at home allowed me to watch a few other games. We are lacking in several areas, consistent relief pitching, timely hitting, obviously we are lacking on the defensive side a little too or Collins wouldn't be at 3rd base. We also lack on the coaching side or we would see more Cody Brown and a few others, we would establish a consistent lineup..........

That being said that isn't our biggest miss. We lack intensity, we lack aggressiveness, we lack the right attitude. Watch an LSU game and watch their attitude, their approach at the plate. There is a difference in the way the players go about the game. We lack gritty, dirty, lay it all on the line, refuse to lose players like Pirtle or Frazier. I don't believe it is a difference in talent, it is a difference in focus and desire. LSU is just an example but you can see it in their eyes, you can see it in the way they enter the batters box, you can see it in the way a bat doesn't sit on their shoulder long. They are focus, aggressive and refuse to lose. Of course they will lose some games but why don't we have it and where do we get it?

I find Mainieri to be a whiny little bitch so I have a hard time believing it starts there but maybe he just stays out of the way. I don't know if it is the players that step up and lead the others or where it comes from but even their dugout is different. We look like we are watching a Tball game with nothing on the line, they look like they would give anything to be in the game, that if they just got one swing they could make it count. We look like we are waiting for the game to end and hoping someone will take us to get ice cream after the game.

It is a difference in attitude. We don't have that grit, that refuse to lose attitude and we will continue to struggle until someone steps up and leads this team. Now I am going back to drinking.

[Taog Redloh]

I think what you just described is indicative of the current junior class on campus. They seem soft. I think the current freshmen are wired differently though, much tougher. I may be wrong. Either way, we still have a chance to be pretty damn good.

[MoreCowbell]

I agree and have been saying the same thing. I think it has to do with Cohen meddling and not just letting the guys play. That edge and grit comes with being confident and when you're always worried about what coach is gonna do or if your even gonna play that day it is hard to get in the zone. My high school coach was a lot like that. He never knew when to let us just play, always overthought everything and we couldn't get settled in. With the level of talent we have, Cohen needs to pick the best ones and roll them out there and just tell them to play ball. Team won't change until Cohen does.

[BulldogBear]

After having a 5-1 lead we piss it away and end the game in a tie due to a curfew. Ties are BS in baseball but whatever.

Us not being on TV Friday and today and not being at home allowed me to watch a few other games. We are lacking in several areas, consistent relief pitching, timely hitting, obviously we are lacking on the defensive side a little too or Collins wouldn't be at 3rd base. We also lack on the coaching side or we would see more Cody Brown and a few others, we would establish a consistent lineup..........

That being said that isn't our biggest miss. We lack intensity, we lack aggressiveness, we lack the right attitude. Watch an LSU game and watch their attitude, their approach at the plate. There is a difference in the way the players go about the game. We lack gritty, dirty, lay it all on the line, refuse to lose players like Pirtle or Frazier. I don't believe it is a difference in talent, it is a difference in focus and desire. LSU is just an example but you can see it in their eyes, you can see it in the way they enter the batters box, you can see it in the way a bat doesn't sit on their shoulder long. They are focus, aggressive and refuse to lose. Of course they will lose some games but why don't we have it and where do we get it?

I find Mainieri to be a whiny little bitch so I have a hard time believing it starts there but maybe he just stays out of the way. I don't know if it is the players that step up and lead the others or where it comes from but even their dugout is different. We look like we are watching a Tball game with nothing on the line, they look like they would give anything to be in the game, that if they just got one swing they could make it count. We look like we are waiting for the game to end and hoping someone will take us to get ice cream after the game.

It is a difference in attitude. We don't have that grit, that refuse to lose attitude and we will continue to struggle until someone steps up and leads this team. Now I am going back to drinking.

It is because our kids are being taught that the sport is a passionless exercise in mathematical equation solving. They are being taught that you don't need talent, you don't need guts, you don't ever take initiative, you don't need a killer instinct, you don't have to be determined, and that there's nothing you can do as an individual to make a difference in the outcome. All you have to do is make the right (non-stop) adjustments according to formulas, percentages, and trends. Of course, you should never take into account that the successful side of said trends and percentages is probably due to somebody's talent, guts, initiative, determination, and killer instinct in those situations. It's BS, and they are buying into it or have been placed into submission and/or resignation to it.

[Taog Redloh]

It is because our kids are being taught that the sport is a passionless exercise in mathematical equation solving. They are being taught that you don't need talent, you don't need guts, you don't ever take initiative, you don't need a killer instinct, you don't have to be determined, and that there's nothing you can do as an individual to make a difference in the outcome. All you have to do is make the right (non-stop) adjustments according to formulas, percentages, and trends. Of course, you should never take into account that the successful side of said trends and percentages is probably due to somebody's talent, guts, initiative, determination, and killer instinct in those situations. It's BS, and they are buying into it or have been placed into submission and/or resignation to it.

Yeah this is all pretty much bullshit.

[BulldogBear]

Yeah this is all pretty much bullshit.

I hope you're right about the current freshmen and Cohen will get out of the way. But we know he won't.

[Coach34]

Our pitching staff has talent
We have older guys with talent- Brown, Robson, Rooker, Collins, etc
We have a bonafied top-notch 3 hole hitter
We have some talented Freshman

No Mora Excuses- get it done

[I seen it dawg]

I think what you just described is indicative of the current junior class on campus. They seem soft. I think the current freshmen are wired differently though, much tougher. I may be wrong. Either way, we still have a chance to be pretty damn good.

Painfully agree

[maroonmania]

I agree and have been saying the same thing. I think it has to do with Cohen meddling and not just letting the guys play. That edge and grit comes with being confident and when you're always worried about what coach is gonna do or if your even gonna play that day it is hard to get in the zone. My high school coach was a lot like that. He never knew when to let us just play, always overthought everything and we couldn't get settled in. With the level of talent we have, Cohen needs to pick the best ones and roll them out there and just tell them to play ball. Team won't change until Cohen does.

Maybe its just MSU baseball. We essentially had the same problem under Ron "that's baseball" Polk. No real toughness or grit then either for the most part. There were years we had much superior talent to most anyone else in the SEC back in those days but still never won many championships and never got as far in the CWS as we have under Cohen.

[Maroonthirteen]

All me to summarize....


We aren't very good. Coaching to players.

I agree.

[State82]

Z

No Mora Excuses- get it done

We are 8 years in with one outstanding run. He makes way too much money for that kind of production. So, to echo Coach's sentiment, this year is it. Put us in the regionals and perform admirably, host or not, or pack your bags for a JC job somewhere.

[Blackout]

2 seed at a non-National seed is the worst we should tolerate.

Top 24 team or curtains for Cohen. Can't afford to waste this young talent with the meddler.

[engie]

Painfully agree

Yep

[state66]

I disagree that Gavin is soft. I cant speak for his leadership but I have been on the field to see him. The kid wants to be great more so than any player I have seen. He tries so freaking hard that you feel like hes going to make a mistake cause hes trying so hard.

[Todd4State]

Painfully agree

Painfully agree as well.

[Todd4State]

Maybe its just MSU baseball. We essentially had the same problem under Ron "that's baseball" Polk. No real toughness or grit then either for the most part. There were years we had much superior talent to most anyone else in the SEC back in those days but still never won many championships and never got as far in the CWS as we have under Cohen.

I think that's a good observation. There is talent, and there are guys that may not have a lot of God given athleticism that are just tough as hell and somehow will themselves to reaching their max potential. Ideally you want a combination of both- like Will Clark, Graveman, Frazier, Easley, etc. But it's just hard to find that.

And if I had to pick one- give me toughness over guys that are just "talented" with a lot of "potential". It's almost impossible to get someone that has great talent and isn't mentally tough to be mentally tough.

[Todd4State]

Z

We are 8 years in with one outstanding run. He makes way too much money for that kind of production. So, to echo Coach's sentiment, this year is it. Put us in the regionals and perform admirably, host or not, or pack your bags for a JC job somewhere.

Did you forget about 2011 and 2012? We made a SR and were about six outs or whatever from Omaha, and then we won the SEC Tournament in 2012. It's not like we had seven losing seasons and one where we had a magical season.

[Commercecomet24]

Did you forget about 2011 and 2012? We made a SR and were about six outs or whatever from Omaha, and then we won the SEC Tournament in 2012. It's not like we had seven losing seasons and one where we had a magical season.

THIS! Sometimes we are shortsighted as a fan base.

[Coach34]

Here is where we are:

2013- Played for the NC
2014- 2 seed-blew a Regional from the Winners Bracket
2015- Total shit year
2016- Team that is talented enough to be in the top 32 come Regional time

No Mora Excuses
We are in Year 8- we've been good enough to host once
20% of our fanbase has never been on board with Cohen because of Polk
We are building a baseball Mecca
Big Boosters are withdrawing donations for said stadium because of our coach and where the program is

He has to get it done this year- no choice. Support the hell out of the team, go to games, give them all the help we can- and see where we end up.

[State82]

It's not like we had seven losing seasons and one where we had a magical season.

You're right and I don't mean to imply that. What I am saying is that our progression, as a program, is not where it should be in year eight. One host in his tenure to this point is not acceptable for a program that puts as much emphasis on the sport as we do. We should at least be in the discussion as a host site on a fairly regular basis. And we should never, ever even be close to missing the SEC tourney. And he has that on his resume also.