Alot of our baseball fans need to realize its not 1995 anymore

[Coach34]

2 for 16. Thats how many CWS appearances Miss State has in the last 16 years. 2. Two. Dos.

I keep seeing our fans saying we are a top 10 program- and it's simply not true anymore. The 1990's ended and so did our standing as a top tier baseball school. The lack of scholarships available hurts both us and Mississippi. Bunko has made them very relevant finally and they still only have 1 CWS appearance. It's harder to win at Miss State now in baseball than it is at half the other SEC schools.

We have had losing SEC records in 8 of the last 16 years. That's not a top 10 baseball school.
We have no NC in our history- thats not a top 10 baseball school
We only have 7 CWS appearances the last 35 years- thats not a top 10 baseball school.

All this talk of firing Cohen for 1 down season after a really good 3 year run is ridiculous. College baseball has evolved alot since the 1990's and we havent quite recovered yet.

Should we strive to be there? Absolutely
Is our fan support top 10? Absolutely
Are our facilities top 10? No- but will be in 2 years

Some of ya'll need a dose of reality

[BeardoMSU]

2 for 16. Thats how many CWS appearances Miss State has in the last 16 years. 2. Two. Dos.

I keep seeing our fans saying we are a top 10 program- and it's simply not true anymore. The 1990's ended and so did our standing as a top tier baseball school. The lack of scholarships available hurts both us and Mississippi. Bunko has made them very relevant finally and they still only have 1 CWS appearance. It's harder to win at Miss State now in baseball than it is at half the other SEC schools.

We have had losing SEC records in 8 of the last 16 years. That's not a top 10 baseball school.
We have no NC in our history- thats not a top 10 baseball school
We only have 7 CWS appearances the last 35 years- thats not a top 10 baseball school.

All this talk of firing Cohen for 1 down season after a really good 3 year run is ridiculous. College baseball has evolved alot since the 1990's and we havent quite recovered yet.

Should we strive to be there? Absolutely
Is our fan support top 10? Absolutely
Are our facilities top 10? No- but will be in 2 years

Some of ya'll need a dose of reality

Well said, Coach.

[Dawg61]

2 for 16. Thats how many CWS appearances Miss State has in the last 16 years. 2. Two. Dos.

I keep seeing our fans saying we are a top 10 program- and it's simply not true anymore. The 1990's ended and so did our standing as a top tier baseball school. The lack of scholarships available hurts both us and Mississippi. Bunko has made them very relevant finally and they still only have 1 CWS appearance. It's harder to win at Miss State now in baseball than it is at half the other SEC schools.

We have had losing SEC records in 8 of the last 16 years. That's not a top 10 baseball school.
We have no NC in our history- thats not a top 10 baseball school
We only have 7 CWS appearances the last 35 years- thats not a top 10 baseball school.

All this talk of firing Cohen for 1 down season after a really good 3 year run is ridiculous. College baseball has evolved alot since the 1990's and we havent quite recovered yet.

Should we strive to be there? Absolutely
Is our fan support top 10? Absolutely
Are our facilities top 10? No- but will be in 2 years

Some of ya'll need a dose of reality

I don't enjoy watching Cohen's style of baseball, his philosophy and what he demands his players do in the batters box. No doubt we'll suck next year and it'll be Cohen's last.

[Out of Bounds]

I don't enjoy watching Cohen's style of baseball, his philosophy and what he demands his players do in the batters box. No doubt we'll suck next year and it'll be Cohen's last.

Cohen isn't going anywhere and he's about as close to the hotseat as I am to starting for the NY Yankees this weekend.

[Dawg61]

Cohen isn't going anywhere and he's about as close to the hotseat as I am to starting for the NY Yankees this weekend.

Keep telling yourself that. It's not that he's losing after being Nat Runner Up that's putting him on the hot seat. It's how he's losing. If we had good damage hitters and lost he'd be ok for awhile. If we scored a lot and he lost he'd be ok for awhile. If he had power arms and still lost he'd be ok for awhile. But he has none of that and worst of all he's teaching Little League strategy in the SEC. Seriously. It's Little League. Walk, bunt, hit for contact never power. That's what is taught to the 12 year olds in Everytown, USA. Then on top of all that he has this never ending urge to influence every game to the tune of 82 consecutive different lineups and all the Cohenball calls he makes every game. Cohen has worn thin and he's done it in record fashion. If Cohen gets fired its only because he did it to himself. MSU baseball is much much bigger than Cohen. It's a highly coveted position to be the MSU HC. If he insists on teaching little league ball that's fine. He just needs to do it in little league not SEC baseball.

[Todd4State]

Keep telling yourself that. It's not that he's losing after being Nat Runner Up that's putting him on the hot seat. It's how he's losing. If we had good damage hitters and lost he'd be ok for awhile. If we scored a lot and he lost he'd be ok for awhile. If he had power arms and still lost he'd be ok for awhile. But he has none of that and worst of all he's teaching Little League strategy in the SEC. Seriously. It's Little League. Walk, bunt, hit for contact never power. That's what is taught to the 12 year olds in Everytown, USA. Then on top of all that he has this never ending urge to influence every game to the tune of 82 consecutive different lineups and all the Cohenball calls he makes every game. Cohen has worn thin and he's done it in record fashion. If Cohen gets fired its only because he did it to himself. MSU baseball is much much bigger than Cohen. It's a highly coveted position to be the MSU HC. If he insists on teaching little league ball that's fine. He just needs to do it in little league not SEC baseball.

And what do you expect hitters like Jake Vickerson, Jacob Robson, Seth Heck, and Cody Brown to do other than hit singles and bunt? Do you really think that Cohen, Rudy Jaramillo, Charlie Lau, Clark, or Palmeiro could make them into power hitters? That would be like Astros fans expecting Jose Altuve to hit 30 home runs because their hitting coach had a magic wand or something. Yet another example of how our fans don't understand the game.

Cohen built us for the baseball culture at the time- and it resulted in two SR's, and a CWS appearance making it to the finals. And now he is recruiting more power hitters like Rooker, Cole Gordon, Nate Lowe, and hopefully Riley and Pickett make it to adjust for the current era.

I'm pretty sure Cohen gets it. It's pretty much public knowledge that Cohen wanted the ball change to be delayed to give us a chance to adjust our roster. If he was deadest on small ball, I'm pretty sure that would have never come out.

[Dawg61]

And what do you expect hitters like Jake Vickerson, Jacob Robson, Seth Heck, and Cody Brown to do other than hit singles and bunt? Do you really think that Cohen, Rudy Jaramillo, Charlie Lau, Clark, or Palmeiro could make them into power hitters? That would be like Astros fans expecting Jose Altuve to hit 30 home runs because their hitting coach had a magic wand or something. Yet another example of how our fans don't understand the game.

Cohen built us for the baseball culture at the time- and it resulted in two SR's, and a CWS appearance making it to the finals. And now he is recruiting more power hitters like Rooker, Cole Gordon, Nate Lowe, and hopefully Riley and Pickett make it to adjust for the current era.

I'm pretty sure Cohen gets it. It's pretty much public knowledge that Cohen wanted the ball change to be delayed to give us a chance to adjust our roster. If he was deadest on small ball, I'm pretty sure that would have never come out.

Altuve is on pace for 19 HR and 50 2bs. JS. You named four players. Cohen starts every fall with 35-40 players. Quit making excuses for him. He's been atrocious this year. We must and will DEMAND MORE from our HC for baseball. Ask Buck Showalter and Jeff Brantley what they think of Cohen's performance this year.

[RougeDawg]

And what do you expect hitters like Jake Vickerson, Jacob Robson, Seth Heck, and Cody Brown to do other than hit singles and bunt? Do you really think that Cohen, Rudy Jaramillo, Charlie Lau, Clark, or Palmeiro could make them into power hitters? That would be like Astros fans expecting Jose Altuve to hit 30 home runs because their hitting coach had a magic wand or something. Yet another example of how our fans don't understand the game.

Cohen built us for the baseball culture at the time- and it resulted in two SR's, and a CWS appearance making it to the finals. And now he is recruiting more power hitters like Rooker, Cole Gordon, Nate Lowe, and hopefully Riley and Pickett make it to adjust for the current era.

I'm pretty sure Cohen gets it. It's pretty much public knowledge that Cohen wanted the ball change to be delayed to give us a chance to adjust our roster. If he was deadest on small ball, I'm pretty sure that would have never come out.

Yes Todd, proper mechanics taught to any of the players mentioned would provide them the ability to apply more power on the baseball at point of contact. It's simple physics and leverage. Our mechanics (ie. Hands/elbows away from the body, hands too close to midpoint of body on stance, squatting too much) are all correctable items that take very little work and/or instruction. Changing any of these will add power simply by the physics of leverage. Correct all 3 for most hitters and you will see a dramatic jump in power numbers.

You call me out for "thinking I know more than others", but simply understanding physics and the specific traits of a power baseball stance don't exactly exude someone acting like they know more than anyone else. I simply can comprehend two different yet similar situations, put them together and draw an educated description.

They problem you and many others have is no "below the surface" baseball experience and knowledge base. I could write an entire thread on how and where you take your lead off of each base, depending on what you want the other team to think and/or do. Most people have no clue that you can take a lead numerous ways off of first base to influence the defense into doing something you want. The base runners who know these things can influence the defense and thus increase their chances of success. I rarely see a college player do these small lead off things. A player can take a normal lead and get the pitcher to throw over every time based on the angle he takes his lead away from first. I apologize for getting into details, because you and others cannot comprehend them and say "I think I know everything", so I will stop.

When you and others would like some insight on baseball below the surface of basic high school knowledge, let me know. Most people such as yourself, would rather discount what I say opposed to taking a moment to think about it and actually comprehend what I'm actually attempting to share with the board.

[confucius say]

I don't enjoy watching Cohen's style of baseball, his philosophy and what he demands his players do in the batters box. No doubt we'll suck next year and it'll be Cohen's last.

Wanna bet?

[Dawg61]

Wanna bet?

You gonna get the stubborn bastard to change his beliefs?

[shoeless joe]

You gonna get the stubborn bastard to change his beliefs?

When he was at UK they played in a banbox and he coached that way. His "belief" is/was based on the bats, balls, home stadium, and CWS stadium.

[Liverpooldawg]

2 for 16. Thats how many CWS appearances Miss State has in the last 16 years. 2. Two. Dos.

I keep seeing our fans saying we are a top 10 program- and it's simply not true anymore. The 1990's ended and so did our standing as a top tier baseball school. The lack of scholarships available hurts both us and Mississippi. Bunko has made them very relevant finally and they still only have 1 CWS appearance. It's harder to win at Miss State now in baseball than it is at half the other SEC schools.

We have had losing SEC records in 8 of the last 16 years. That's not a top 10 baseball school.
We have no NC in our history- thats not a top 10 baseball school
We only have 7 CWS appearances the last 35 years- thats not a top 10 baseball school.

All this talk of firing Cohen for 1 down season after a really good 3 year run is ridiculous. College baseball has evolved alot since the 1990's and we havent quite recovered yet.

Should we strive to be there? Absolutely
Is our fan support top 10? Absolutely
Are our facilities top 10? No- but will be in 2 years

Some of ya'll need a dose of reality

Spot on.

[confucius say]

2 for 16. Thats how many CWS appearances Miss State has in the last 16 years. 2. Two. Dos.

I keep seeing our fans saying we are a top 10 program- and it's simply not true anymore. The 1990's ended and so did our standing as a top tier baseball school. The lack of scholarships available hurts both us and Mississippi. Bunko has made them very relevant finally and they still only have 1 CWS appearance. It's harder to win at Miss State now in baseball than it is at half the other SEC schools.

We have had losing SEC records in 8 of the last 16 years. That's not a top 10 baseball school.
We have no NC in our history- thats not a top 10 baseball school
We only have 7 CWS appearances the last 35 years- thats not a top 10 baseball school.

All this talk of firing Cohen for 1 down season after a really good 3 year run is ridiculous. College baseball has evolved alot since the 1990's and we havent quite recovered yet.

Should we strive to be there? Absolutely
Is our fan support top 10? Absolutely
Are our facilities top 10? No- but will be in 2 years

Some of ya'll need a dose of reality

I don't disagree totally. Especially with the fact that it's harder for mississippi schools to win in baseball than la, tenn, ga, and tex (lotteries and scholarship programs). But, you can also say we've been to two, 2, dos, cws in last 8 years, as opposed to 16 years, and four in last 17 years. We are still a top 15-20 program.

[confucius say]

You gonna get the stubborn bastard to change his beliefs?

Nope. But I'll take the bet that next year will not be his last, unless he chooses for it to be. We will also not suck next year, and by that I mean we will make a regional.

[CadaverDawg]

I don't think we're a top 10 program, and I don't want to fire Cohen, but I do think we SHOULD be a Top 15-20 program and we SHOULD not have so many years of sub .500 SEC baseball. To put it simply, with our facilities (& soon to be facilities), our fan support, our history, our recruiting ability, and our dedication to baseball....we should be getting more out of our baseball program on a year in/year out basis. Yes, we have the CWS run in 13, and a few Regional appearances, but we should be in the hosting discussion way more than we are and have been over the last 10-15+ years IMO.

I get the scholly issues, and I know that's tough...but it's not insurmountable. And if it is, we either need to put all resources towards fighting it, or quit pumping money into a losing battle.

[BulldogBear]

I don't think we're a top 10 program, and I don't want to fire Cohen, but I do think we SHOULD be a Top 15-20 program and we SHOULD not have so many years of sub .500 SEC baseball. To put it simply, with our facilities (& soon to be facilities), our fan support, our history, our recruiting ability, and our dedication to baseball....we should be getting more out of our baseball program on a year in/year out basis. Yes, we have the CWS run in 13, and a few Regional appearances, but we should be in the hosting discussion way more than we are and have been over the last 10-15+ years IMO.

I get the scholly issues, and I know that's tough...but it's not insurmountable. And if it is, we either need to put all resources towards fighting it, or quit pumping money into a losing battle.

+1


Here's a question...

Have we EVER been a national seed since the concept began?

[Homedawg]

+1


Here's a question...

Have we EVER been a national seed since the concept began?

Nope.

[BulldogBear]

Nope.

Didn't think so. There's just something inherently wrong with that, even with the OP perspective. Not even once? C'mon

[War Machine Dawg]

I don't think we're a top 10 program, and I don't want to fire Cohen, but I do think we SHOULD be a Top 15-20 program and we SHOULD not have so many years of sub .500 SEC baseball. To put it simply, with our facilities (& soon to be facilities), our fan support, our history, our recruiting ability, and our dedication to baseball....we should be getting more out of our baseball program on a year in/year out basis. Yes, we have the CWS run in 13, and a few Regional appearances, but we should be in the hosting discussion way more than we are and have been over the last 10-15+ years IMO.

I get the scholly issues, and I know that's tough...but it's not insurmountable. And if it is, we either need to put all resources towards fighting it, or quit pumping money into a losing battle.

[AROB44]

Hearing some MSU fans talk about our baseball program is similar to hearing OM talk about their football program. Both are based on ancient history. 1985 was 30 years ago! I loved it then but it is history.