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    Quote Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg View Post
    Hitler was an insane megalomaniac by that point. As evil as he may have been, Hitler was actually a pretty brilliant dude and a scholar of history. He knew damn well how the Russians defend their territory, but he thought he was the guy that could actually succeed. Plus, if I'm remembering it correctly, he was convinced that Russia was going to attack them, so he decided to invade Russia first. But he didn't have the resources to back it up, especially when he split his army to do it. And as I pointed out, it forced him to fight a war on two fronts. It's really a good thing he went insane. If he hadn't, there's really no telling how WWII would've turned out. Hell, if he'd just decided to finish off the Brits before invading Russia, it might've been different.
    This is true. They put the first turbojet into service, the ME 262, although by the time it was operational with the Luftwaffe, they had already lost the air war. It was a terribly unreliable airplane and dangerous airplane to fly, but if the 262 had been operational just a year earlier, the allied bombing campaigns would have had to deal with them in larger numbers as the war progressed. Plus, the Germans would have refined it, and worked out some of the design flaws. That would have made the war even more costly and drawn out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bothrops View Post
    This is true. They put the first turbojet into service, the ME 262, although by the time it was operational with the Luftwaffe, they had already lost the air war. It was a terribly unreliable airplane and dangerous airplane to fly, but if the 262 had been operational just a year earlier, the allied bombing campaigns would have had to deal with them in larger numbers as the war progressed. Plus, the Germans would have refined it, and worked out some of the design flaws. That would have made the war even more costly and drawn out.
    You should also include the V2 rockets, that could have pushed them over the top if they were able to perfect that.

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    The Russians could not have pulled it off without the lend- lease program. the USA supplied them with the tools of War.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcdog70 View Post
    The Russians could not have pulled it off without the lend- lease program. the USA supplied them with the tools of War.
    More please

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg61 View Post
    Wow this is fascinating. Can you go into more detail here? The Russians would intentionally destroy everything and then retreat backwards forcing the Germans to occupy land that had no resources? That is brilliantly sick and twisted.
    It's a scorched earth policy. The Russians have used it successfully as a defensive maneuver against the German army in WWII as well as the French army in the Napolianic Wars. Sherman used it against the Confederacy as an offensive maneuver in his famous march to the sea.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorched_earth

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    Hideki Tojo was saved and resuscitated by Allied forces after attempting suicide by shooting himself in the chest and then he was hanged for war crimes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideki_Tōjō

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg61 View Post
    Wow why on earth Germany would even attempt to invade that is suicide. The shear size of the country, their huge army and terrible climate should be enough to deter any invader. Did Hitler not have any knowledge of how Russia fights a war on their own land? Hitler just had a death wish for himself and his entire country. He had the war won. Just finish off Britain and it's over. Done. He chose instead to murder 20+ million more people and ensure Germany loses.
    It was actually a good plan that was known to be a gamble. If I remember right, it took the German army something like 50 days to relocate and prepare for the Russian invasion when it was supposed to take 15. The winter hit them 10 days out from St Petersburg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomBoom View Post
    It was actually a good plan that was known to be a gamble. If I remember right, it took the German army something like 50 days to relocate and prepare for the Russian invasion when it was supposed to take 15. The winter hit them 10 days out from St Petersburg.
    I think they split their army in Russia as well or else they may have actually succeeded there regardless. They went on two offensives in Russia while also having troops on the offensive in Western Europe. Insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Political Hack View Post
    I think they split their army in Russia as well or else they may have actually succeeded there regardless. They went on two offensives in Russia while also having troops on the offensive in Western Europe. Insane.
    Germany actually split their army in the Eastern front into three divisions fighting Russia in the North (Leningrad), Center (Moscow) and South (Kiev) and had Moscow all but captured (which they still eventually did capture) and Hitler pulled a major portion of the Center force and put them in the South to take on Stalin's biggest force head on. Germany's ultimate fail in the battle vs Russian was that it simply took too long. Their strategy was the Blitzkrieg or break down the doors of Russia quickly and the country would fall but it just took too long and then Germany was totally fu@ked when Russia brought in 18 divisions from Siberia that were experts at fighting in the bitter cold and the Germans were not equipped for it. Hitler refused to retreat even at the urging of his Generals and the rest is history.

    "A scenario involving Moscow's fall also ignores the arrival of 18 divisions of troops from Siberia—fresh, well-trained, and equipped for winter fighting. They had been guarding against a possible Japanese invasion, but a Soviet spy reliably informed Stalin that Japan would turn southward, toward the Dutch East Indies and the Philippines, thereby freeing them to come to the Moscow front. Historically, the arrival of these troops took the Germans by surprise, and an unexpected Soviet counteroffensive in early December 1941 produced a major military crisis. Surprised and disturbed, Hitler's field commanders urged a temporary retreat in order to consolidate the German defenses. But Hitler refused, instead ordering that German troops continue to hold their ground. Historically they managed to do so. However, with German forces extended as far as Moscow and pinned to the city's defense, this probably would not have been possible. Ironically, for the Germans, the seeming triumph of Moscow's capture might well have brought early disaster."

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    Found this on reddit, Nagasaki was not the initial target for the 2nd A-Bomb, it was Kokura but a factory steel worker burned tar for 3 hours that morning to create black smoke blocking the pilots view of the city so after failing to locate their target after 3 separate fly overs they decided to drop the bomb on Nagasaki instead an hour later. This story hasn't come out till now because the steel worker and Kokura (which has a new name now, Kitakyushu) didn't want to inform the people of Nagasaki that the bomb that wiped out their city wasn't even intended for them.
    http://mainichi.jp/english/english/f...na014000c.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg61 View Post
    Germany actually split their army in the Eastern front into three divisions fighting Russia in the North (Leningrad), Center (Moscow) and South (Kiev) and had Moscow all but captured (which they still eventually did capture) and Hitler pulled a major portion of the Center force and put them in the South to take on Stalin's biggest force head on. Germany's ultimate fail in the battle vs Russian was that it simply took too long. Their strategy was the Blitzkrieg or break down the doors of Russia quickly and the country would fall but it just took too long and then Germany was totally fu@ked when Russia brought in 18 divisions from Siberia that were experts at fighting in the bitter cold and the Germans were not equipped for it. Hitler refused to retreat even at the urging of his Generals and the rest is history.

    "A scenario involving Moscow's fall also ignores the arrival of 18 divisions of troops from Siberia—fresh, well-trained, and equipped for winter fighting. They had been guarding against a possible Japanese invasion, but a Soviet spy reliably informed Stalin that Japan would turn southward, toward the Dutch East Indies and the Philippines, thereby freeing them to come to the Moscow front. Historically, the arrival of these troops took the Germans by surprise, and an unexpected Soviet counteroffensive in early December 1941 produced a major military crisis. Surprised and disturbed, Hitler's field commanders urged a temporary retreat in order to consolidate the German defenses. But Hitler refused, instead ordering that German troops continue to hold their ground. Historically they managed to do so. However, with German forces extended as far as Moscow and pinned to the city's defense, this probably would not have been possible. Ironically, for the Germans, the seeming triumph of Moscow's capture might well have brought early disaster."
    but that's the thing, the march actually went quicker than expected, they just got started several weeks later than planned.

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    most of all they were 6 months from having an ATOMIC bomb ready.

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