An UGA Error

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Should not be the difference between the site saying the season is over and this site saying all is well, we have a good team.

Anyway, I looked up some stats to try and zoom out from just wins and loses or the latest on field product.

SEC ONLY: 5th in ERA (holy crap what a job by Parker!), 1st in defense (again a massive turnaround from last year), T11th SLG%, 6th OBP.

WHOLE SEASON: 6th in ERA, 2nd in defense, 13th SLG%, 10th OPB

Notes:

1) We've had it easy overall, with the (SECs) 12th ranked SOS per Warren Nolan. So our season long stats may be a bit inflated relative to our peers.

2) SEC only play the ERA of our opponents is (in order of when we played them) 11th, 6th, 7th, 12th. IE, the average ERA of our opponents is 9th so our already bad offensive numbers should get worse as we face the better staffs.

3) SEC only play our opponents offense have been pretty normal: average 5th in SLG% and 7.5 in OBP, so our pitching numbers seem legitimate.

Thoughts:

A) Jake G is absolutely awful at his job. Yet another year of sub average offense despite our top 10 classes he helped evaluate. Conversely, Parker is amazing

B) how "good" we truly are depends a lot on how you personally weigh defense, pitching, or offense. It also depends on if you think we "regress" to our non-con offense or if it's permanently improved. As I said in 2) above, we have faced relatively bad pitching so far.so I expect us to drop a bit even if we don't go full "non-con" again. I think we're roughly the 8th or 9th best team in the SEC but it's debatable.

Lemones' Buyout Dollar Question:

Is being the 8th best team enough to where you want Lemo back? I can't say he should be fired for it, but I also don't think we will be better next year. Feels like delaying the inevitable and wasting another year if we bring him back. But he won't be fired if we actually finish 8th. What would you want to happen?

[Coach34]

Amazing the lengths our fans will go to try and say we suck because they dont like Lemon.

We are a Top 20 team rankings wise.
We are 6-6 in the SEC when most thought we would not be able to achieve that and will be the favorite in the next 2 series.
We beat a team 2/3 that the entire nation considered a toss-up series. Especially considering Georgia has one of the best offenses in the country.
We should have swept the last 2 series- they were that close

We are going to be ranked inside the Top 20 tomorrow- and we have fans wanting to fire our HC. Fan is short of fanatic for a reason. Insanity

[Todd4State]

Amazing the lengths our fans will go to try and say we suck because they dont like Lemon.

We are a Top 20 team rankings wise.
We are 6-6 in the SEC when most thought we would not be able to achieve that and will be the favorite in the next 2 series.
We beat a team 2/3 that the entire nation considered a toss-up series. Especially considering Georgia has one of the best offenses in the country.
We should have swept the last 2 series- they were that close

We are going to be ranked inside the Top 20 tomorrow- and we have fans wanting to fire our HC. Fan is short of fanatic for a reason. Insanity

I think the next two series will kind of tell the tale for us to a degree. We need wins. And we need to stop losing midweek games.

With our RPI there is a chance we don't make it with 13 SEC wins. It's at 47 last time I looked and we actually lost three spots today despite winning.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Amazing the lengths our fans will go to try and say we suck because they dont like Lemon.

We are a Top 20 team rankings wise.
We are 6-6 in the SEC when most thought we would not be able to achieve that and will be the favorite in the next 2 series.
We beat a team 2/3 that the entire nation considered a toss-up series. Especially considering Georgia has one of the best offenses in the country.
We should have swept the last 2 series- they were that close

We are going to be ranked inside the Top 20 tomorrow- and we have fans wanting to fire our HC. Fan is short of fanatic for a reason. Insanity

1) Did I say we "suck"? I said we would finish 8th. Does that suck to you? If it does, do you think we should fire Lemo if he finished 8th?

2) We "will be the favorite in the next 2 series"... who gives a crap? I'm talking season long stats and season long results, not the next 6 games alone.

3) It was not considered a "toss up series", we were ranked and playing AT HOME (which you made a post about how much of an advantage that is a few weeks ago). You can't simultaneously cite our ranking as a sign we're really good and then also pretend a ranked team playing at home vs an unranked team is a "toss up". Many here were saying we needed a sweep

4) it's insane to say we "should have" swept 2 series that we went 3-3 in. That's you changing a LOT of breaks one way only. And today, we needed a late inning error to win. How on earth is that a "should" on our end?

5) NOBODY IS SAYING TO FIRE OUR HC!!! That's you putting words in my mouth. I'm talking about letting the season play out and evaluating then. I'm asking a question about what we want to do then IF things wind up with us 8th/9th.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Amazing the lengths our fans will go to try and say we suck because they dont like Lemon.

We are a Top 20 team rankings wise.
We are 6-6 in the SEC when most thought we would not be able to achieve that and will be the favorite in the next 2 series.
We beat a team 2/3 that the entire nation considered a toss-up series. Especially considering Georgia has one of the best offenses in the country.
We should have swept the last 2 series- they were that close

We are going to be ranked inside the Top 20 tomorrow- and we have fans wanting to fire our HC. Fan is short of fanatic for a reason. Insanity

Lol

[Coach34]

and let me add:

If we are ranked heading into the Tourney which is likely- Lemon is not getting fired. Get ready for that

[Quaoarsking]

and let me add:

If we are ranked heading into the Tourney which is likely- Lemon is not getting fired. Get ready for that

I think we would all be fine with that. Being viewed as a top 25 team by the voters and/or the selection committee in most years should be an easy baseline for any competent coach to meet.

I'm fine with Lemonis getting another year if we end the regular season as a top 25 program.

[Coach34]

I think we would all be fine with that. Being viewed as a top 25 team by the voters and/or the selection committee in most years should be an easy baseline for any competent coach to meet.

I'm fine with Lemonis getting another year if we end the regular season as a top 25 program.

good deal. Quality-level headed take

[Commercecomet24]

I know a lot don't like Lemonis but dang this team is fun to watch, and they're getting the job done. Heck what happened today oughta prove to people how tough these kids are. All the bs last night, Dohm goes down in the first, we get down 5-0 and they could've just said oh well we're done but they didn't and they found a way to win. If you blame Lemonis for the bad the you have to give him credit for the good and he did a phenomal job keeping this team together after last night. They've fought and scrapped all year so give him a little credit. I'm enjoying watching this team play

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I know a lot don't like Lemonis but dang this team is fun to watch, and they're getting the job done. Heck what happened today oughta prove to people how tough these kids are. All the bs last night, Dohm goes down in the first, we get down 5-0 and they could've just said oh well we're done but they didn't and they found a way to win. If you blame Lemonis for the bad the you have to give him credit for the good and he did a phenomal job keeping this team together after last night. They've fought and scrapped all year so give him a little credit. I'm enjoying watching this team play

Fun to watch? Play hard? YES. But we simply aren't that talented and that's on Lemo. And his in game management still sucks. Again, we were an error away from dropping the series. We just aren't that good of a team overall even though they are entertaining as hell

[Todd4State]

Fun to watch? Play hard? YES. But we simply aren't that talented and that's on Lemo. And his in game management still sucks. Again, we were an error away from dropping the series. We just aren't that good of a team overall even though they are entertaining as hell

The stats don't agree with you. Or MLB scouts. We're also one pitch from winning the Florida series and we may win A&M if Morris Hodges is professional.

We have 21 wins this year and 6 SEC wins and we aren't at the midpoint of the SEC season. The past two years we won 26 and 27 with 9 SEC wins both seasons.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

The stats don't agree with you. Or MLB scouts. We're also one pitch from winning the Florida series and we may win A&M if Morris Hodges is professional.

We have 21 wins this year and 6 SEC wins and we aren't at the midpoint of the SEC season. The past two years we won 26 and 27 with 9 SEC wins both seasons.

We have some elite good top end talent, but we also have Long, Larry, Kholer, no DH, and not a singe Fr hitter able to contribute. These are big talent issues and holes in the lineup

[SPMT]

The stats don't agree with you. Or MLB scouts. We're also one pitch from winning the Florida series and we may win A&M if Morris Hodges is professional.

We have 21 wins this year and 6 SEC wins and we aren't at the midpoint of the SEC season. The past two years we won 26 and 27 with 9 SEC wins both seasons.

I would not be shocked if we end up being the Ole Miss of 2022. Not great during the season but getting better.

It will hinge on how the staff improves. If it does like theirs did in 2022, watch out. If hitting throughout the lineup improves??.

[BeardoMSU]

Fun to watch? Play hard? YES. But we simply aren't that talented and that's on Lemo. And his in game management still sucks. Again, we were an error away from dropping the series. We just aren't that good of a team overall even though they are entertaining as hell

We are also a 3rd baseman fielding a ground ball and stepping on his bag away from winning 3 out of 4 SEC series. Baseball is a different sport that the overly emotional sort can't quite handle.

For all it's flaws, this team is getting better. Hell, not for last night's BS, this weekend might've been a sweep.

[The Federalist Engineer]

We are also a 3rd baseman fielding a ground ball and stepping on his bag away from winning 3 out of 4 SEC series. Baseball is a different sport that the overly emotional sort can't quite handle.

For all it's flaws, this team is getting better. Hell, not for last night's BS, this weekend might've been a sweep.

All true, it's like MSU is learning to win again. If they played flawless for 10 games, they could beat anybody. Given the SEC schedule, it's clearly true.

TAM got a gift on the Sunday Ump. UGA got a Birmingham gift, and UF got a massive error to take 3 wins.

Not saying "we are really 9-3 and not 6-6". Just saying that MSU is competitive again. This is not a judgement, this is true.

[Todd4State]

All true, it's like MSU is learning to win again. If they played flawless for 10 games, they could beat anybody. Given the SEC schedule, it's clearly true.

TAM got a gift on the Sunday Ump. UGA got a Birmingham gift, and UF got a massive error to take 3 wins.

Not saying "we are really 9-3 and not 6-6". Just saying that MSU is competitive again. This is not a judgement, this is true.

I'm not even that concerned about what we do in the SEC as long as it is good enough to get us in the regionals because if we do that we have a chance to make noise. The league is too balanced. And history has shown that you can be a dominant team like Tennessee a couple of years ago and not win it all.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Look I hope I'm as wrong on Lemo as I was on Hujsak lol

BUT, I think it's interesting all the different logic I have being thrown at me to tell me I'm wrong. Much is contradictory.

C34 cites being ranked as proof we're good... but ignores that RPI says we suck.

DownwardDawg says "wins are all the matter" to downplay the stats, but others say we're better than our record because we "should have" won some games we lost. Well which is it- are the end results what we care about or do we get credit for being close?

I'm told the team is very talented, but doesn't the fact we racked up so many non-con loses with a "very talented" roster just look bad on Lemo? (and when I say we aren't talented I wasn't being clear, we have top end talent but also some embarrassing holes in the lineup that signal poor evaluations/development)

[Todd4State]

Look I hope I'm as wrong on Lemo as I was on Hujsak lol

BUT, I think it's interesting all the different logic I have being thrown at me to tell me I'm wrong. Much is contradictory.

C34 cites being ranked as proof we're good... but ignores that RPI says we suck.

DownwardDawg says "wins are all the matter" to downplay the stats, but others say we're better than our record because we "should have" won some games we lost. Well which is it- are the end results what we care about or do we get credit for being close?

I'm told the team is very talented, but doesn't the fact we racked up so many non-con loses with a "very talented" roster just look bad on Lemo? (and when I say we aren't talented I wasn't being clear, we have top end talent but also some embarrassing holes in the lineup that signal poor evaluations/development)

The reality about RPI is it takes care of itself if you win. I don't think anyone with a straight face would logically believe that Xavier with their 15-16 record and is 1-2 in the Big East is better than MSU but their RPI is higher for now.

That's why no one uses it to rank a team at this point in the season.

[DownwardDawg]

Look I hope I'm as wrong on Lemo as I was on Hujsak lol

BUT, I think it's interesting all the different logic I have being thrown at me to tell me I'm wrong. Much is contradictory.

C34 cites being ranked as proof we're good... but ignores that RPI says we suck.

DownwardDawg says "wins are all the matter" to downplay the stats, but others say we're better than our record because we "should have" won some games we lost. Well which is it- are the end results what we care about or do we get credit for being close?

I'm told the team is very talented, but doesn't the fact we racked up so many non-con loses with a "very talented" roster just look bad on Lemo? (and when I say we aren't talented I wasn't being clear, we have top end talent but also some embarrassing holes in the lineup that signal poor evaluations/development)

Yeah, one thing about me, I hate stats. I know some of my "buddies" on this board love stats. That's fine. I have no problem with that. But I was taught years ago, stats are for losers. Winners point to the scoreboard . Losers point to the stats and talk about "how close we are".

I'm just not a stats guy.

[shoeless joe]

I know a lot don't like Lemonis but dang this team is fun to watch, and they're getting the job done. Heck what happened today oughta prove to people how tough these kids are. All the bs last night, Dohm goes down in the first, we get down 5-0 and they could've just said oh well we're done but they didn't and they found a way to win. If you blame Lemonis for the bad the you have to give him credit for the good and he did a phenomal job keeping this team together after last night. They've fought and scrapped all year so give him a little credit. I'm enjoying watching this team play

agree here.

i'm not big on Lemonis but i don't hate him either. he reminds me of brian snitker for the braves. and the discussions myself and my braves fan bud on here used to have about him. yes...they both have weaknesses from a management stand point and i don't like some of the things i see happen on the field. but the teams play a certain way and you can't take that for granted. get a great game manager that players won't play for and it's all moot anyway. we'll see how it all plays out the rest of this year.

(not saying Lemonis is on the same level as the braves manager, just saying they both have deficiencies that also allow for their strengths)