Confidence level

[Commercecomet24]

This is year 6 of Lemo. Forgive me if I'm no longer buying the narrative that he just needs to get "his guys" in here, or that Jake G will "coach up" the hitters. We get talent yes, I'm not saying the recruiting is bad... I'm saying that last year and this year are completely Lemos team so why would another year of Lemo recruits be the key to victory?

At what point does "one more year to get his guys" become the definition of insanity?

Make it to a regional final or get out. Jake G and Cheese too. Parker can stay. That's as charitable to Lemo as I can be.

I never said once wait til he gets his guys. I said we have a nice class coming in but also said he either wins or we'll have a new coach dealing with it next year.

I definitely agree with you though, win or go!

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I never said once wait til he gets his guys. I said we have a nice class coming in but also said he either wins or we'll have a new coach dealing with it next year.

I know you didn't say it directly, but what is the point of bringing up the recruiting class if not to imply something like "the future is bright with these Lemo recruits"? Not trying to put words in your mouth, I genuinely don't see what else you could have meant by bringing up recruiting

[Coach34]

I know you didn't say it directly, but what is the point of bringing up the recruiting class if not to imply something like "the future is bright with these Lemo recruits"? Not trying to put words in your mouth, I genuinely don't see what else you could have meant by bringing up recruiting

It means he is recruiting well as our classes remain highly ranked

[Commercecomet24]

I know you didn't say it directly, but what is the point of bringing up the recruiting class if not to imply something like "the future is bright with these Lemo recruits"? Not trying to put words in your mouth, I genuinely don't see what else you could have meant by bringing up recruiting

No I was literally saying it's a nice class we have nothing to do with keeping or letting him go. As I stated in the same post he has to win or we'll have someone else. Yeah I can actually look at a recruiting class because I know a lot of these kids and say it's a nice class without inferring anything about Lemonis staying. Same way I can look at lsu or Vandy or anyone else and say that's a nice class. So yeah you were putting words in my mouth with no idea of my mindset. Smh

ETA I'm not a person who thinks retaining a coach should be tied to his recruiting class coming in. If he can recruit but can't coach he can move on down the road.

[Commercecomet24]

Seems most hated cohen, because he said too many dirty words. Wes give a left nut for that passion now.

I don't approve of profanity but I sure did love playing for intense coaches and sometimes those types have to let a few fly, lol!

You gotta be who you are as a coach!

[SPMT]

I don't approve of profanity but I sure did love playing for intense coaches and sometimes those types have to let a few fly, lol!

You gotta be who you are as a coach!

I hear you! It can be overused and I grew up around profanity and use it too much, but do believe coaches of most all sports need intensity, regardless of their method. No need to direct it toward a player specifically but young men respond to intense coaches more often than not, as long as they aren’t whiners or blamers.

Baseball, especially can use an intense coach. Let’s face it, baseball often lacks the toughness required from other sports, especially physically, which often ties into mentally, where it is probably the most difficult of modern American sports. Baseball is a true sport of life.

[Commercecomet24]

I hear you! It can be overused and I grew up around profanity and use it too much, but do believe coaches of most all sports need intensity, regardless of their method. No need to direct it toward a player specifically but young men respond to intense coaches more often than not, as long as they aren?t whiners or blamers.

Baseball, especially can use an intense coach. Let?s face it, baseball often lacks the toughness required from other sports, especially physically, which often ties into mentally, where it is probably the most difficult of modern American sports. Baseball is a true sport of life.

I loved being coached hard when I played and I coached that way myself(although I didn't use profanity) but you can get your point across without it lol! Lot of kids now can't handle being coached like that but the ones that can will make better ball players. I had some that couldn't handle it and went somewhere else. You're right about baseball it truly is a sport of life and i believe it truly is the most difficult of sports.

My oldest son is a high school baseball and football coach and the parents love him because he's tough and he sticks up for his players.

[Tbonewannabe]

If someone wanted to fire Cohen after year 2, they weren't being realistic. He had a massive exodus with Polk poisoning the team against him. He had to completely rebuild the program.

And his actual dip in 2015 was due to having a team built for the dead ball and the NCAA changing that before the season. Ross Mitchell went from one of the best relievers in SEC history to throwing BP.

Cohen quickly adjusted and got right back to kicking azz.

Lemonis is slowly regressing the program but I am willing to see what he does this year. We at least haven't been run ruled this year.

[Todd4State]

If someone wanted to fire Cohen after year 2, they weren't being realistic. He had a massive exodus with Polk poisoning the team against him. He had to completely rebuild the program.

And his actual dip in 2015 was due to having a team built for the dead ball and the NCAA changing that before the season. Ross Mitchell went from one of the best relievers in SEC history to throwing BP.

Cohen quickly adjusted and got right back to kicking azz.

Lemonis is slowly regressing the program but I am willing to see what he does this year. We at least haven't been run ruled this year.

I'm not sure how anyone can say that we're regressing. We're a respectable 5-5 in the SEC and we almost have as many wins as we had all of last year.

We're not where we want to be but compared to the last two years I don't think we're going backwards.

[Coach34]

If someone wanted to fire Cohen after year 2, they weren't being realistic. He had a massive exodus with Polk poisoning the team against him. He had to completely rebuild the program.

And his actual dip in 2015 was due to having a team built for the dead ball and the NCAA changing that before the season. Ross Mitchell went from one of the best relievers in SEC history to throwing BP.

Cohen quickly adjusted and got right back to kicking azz.

Lemonis is slowly regressing the program but I am willing to see what he does this year. We at least haven't been run ruled this year.

Sure they did and were loud about it- saying the same things they say now. “We’re Miss State- we should never have a losing season.” Plus all the other takes when he couldn’t get 10 SEC wins in Y2.

[sleepy dawg]

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[maroonmania]

Cohen got the Super after 3 years. Cohen played for the Natty in Y5. Cohen made 2 Supers or better in 7 seasons. Why do sooooo many of our fans live in Revisionist history?

Revisionist?? What the heck are you talking about? Very, very few people had any issues with Cohen after we started going to Supers. That is why I didn't even bother to mention him. Heck, playing for the 2013 NC was SO much better than anything Polk had done for years and years that it was a breath of fresh air. There is nothing to revise. Four out of five MSU fans I talk to wish he would have remained our baseball coach and stayed out of the AD business. He was very good as a college baseball coach but was a terrible AD. I'm VERY glad Auburn took him off our hands.

[Tbonewannabe]

I'm not sure how anyone can say that we're regressing. We're a respectable 5-5 in the SEC and we almost have as many wins as we had all of last year.

We're not where we want to be but compared to the last two years I don't think we're going backwards.

I was talking about Lemonis walking into a program that has been a top 10 program since 2016 and has now dropped the bar to hoping we are a 2 seed somewhere.

2016 - National Seed and won the SEC
2017 - a few outs away from Omaha
2018 - a few outs away from playing for the National Title
2019 - Omaha
2021 - National Title
2022 - garbage year - obviously didn't maintain standard
2023 - worst pitching performance in MSU history (over 150 years)
2024 - fan base now hoping to make a Regional

Not sure what you see but I see a guy that was handed an Omaha built program and he has slowly regressed it. Look at his time at Indiana and it is similar. He doesn't seem to be the guy to lift up a program.

[Coach34]

How is our confidence today?

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

How is our confidence today?

We had 3 games vs UGA at home and all 3 games were close late.

So I'd say my confidence level is at "we're about the same as UGA".

Is UGA good enough? They're like the 9th best team in the conference

[Coach34]

So I'd say my confidence level is at "we're about the same as UGA".

Is UGA good enough? They're like the 9th best team in the conference

Mizzou swept Florida- so we're worse than Mizzou with that line of thinking

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Mizzou swept Florida- so we're worse than Mizzou with that line of thinking

Ok, fair enough I guess. I think this weekend cemented is as "mediocre".

We beat LSU and thought we had something, but they're one of the worst teams in the conference so we went 2-1 vs one of the easiest weekends. Went to A&M and got a win, solid showing. Went to a decent UF team and got 1 and fought hard, again decent showing. Then we get another home series vs one of the easier teams on the schedule and have to fight like hell to BARELY defend our home.

That's the definition of "mid" -as I think the kids you coach say- isn't it?

We aren't bad we're just not at the State standard and it will be a fight to get to 14 wins

[Coach34]

We aren't bad we're just not at the State standard and it will be a fight to get to 14 wins

I guess the issue remains what the "State standard" is. We've hosted 4 times in the last decade going back to 2013 since 2020 was killed. Doing something less than half the time will never be a "standard"

[Quaoarsking]

Medium. The team is gutsy and rising above our substandard coach, but he's still holding us back.

On top of that, our poor RPI means 13-17 likely doesn't get us a Regional at all, and we'll need 19 or 20 SEC wins to host, meaning we probably will be underseeded in the NCAA Tournament (assuming we make it at all, which we probably will), giving us a harder path to Omaha.

Longterm confidence is lower since all of our good players are leaving after this year, so we really need to make a run to Omaha now, because next year will be a step back unless we hit the portal jackpot.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Ballsy win from the program. Culture may just be back