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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
Look, I want us to win and excel as much as anyone. And my expectations are that if we aren't competing to host the we aren't successful. That being said, this isn't the SEC of Ron Polk where MSU cared and no one else did. Since UGA won the SEC's first CWS in 1990, a total of 7 SEC schools have won. Arkansas has been within 1 out of a win. And adding Texas and OK add two more championship teams to that list; and A&M, Tennessee and Auburn have all been to the CWS in the last half decade. Kentucky and Bama have both made Supers last year. That means we have exactly 1 team that hasn't shown they are able to build a winner - Missouri. As much as SEC football is a league where the margin of error is thin - SEC baseball has become that on steroids. I think this I going to be a season where this becomes abundantly clear - and teams 1-13 may be stacked up and all fall within 14-17 wins. Tennessee may, may be an exception to this - but I don't think anyone else runs away from the pack.
100% agree with all points! As good as the sec is in football the sec baseball has surpassed it big time in competitiveness and balance. It's literally dog eat dog every weekend. Anyone can sweep or anyone can get swept. It's awesome to watch so much good baseball so close to home!
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Ummm... even our best teams would be happy with 3-3 after playing 2 top 10 teams
I think TAMU is better than folks think. That is a top 5 team and Omaha contender. We held our own and could have won series minus one swing in game one.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Why should we be top 5 in the sec every year in baseball? Is our NIL top 5? Do we have a recruiting advantage like vandy?
ETA... now we certainly shouldn't be horrible like the last 2 years.
What recruiting advantage does Vandy have in NIL era? None now.
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We haven't played well against Florida in a long time. This is a massive challenge to get 2/3 and a challenge to get one.
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Originally Posted by
R2Dawg
What recruiting advantage does Vandy have in NIL era? None now.
You still have to pay tuition. Tuition at vandy is one hell of a pay day.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
You still have to pay tuition. Tuition at vandy is one hell of a pay day.
Their fan base is a creepy old guy who whistles. He spent all of his NIL on his wrap for his van.
They have zero NIL base. Once Corbin leaves their reputation dies. It's already dwindling.
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Originally Posted by
HoopsDawg
Shame Lemon couldn't pickup a RH bat out of the portal.
I?ve figured this out about Lemon and it may end up being what gets him fired at some point:
It?s not that he couldn?t get another bat in the portal- he was committed to Trout/Downs. This explains some of the moves they have made. Lemon basically said it himself back in the Fall.
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
I?ve figured this out about Lemon and it may end up being what gets him fired at some point:
It?s not that he couldn?t get another bat in the portal- he was committed to Trout/Downs. This explains some of the moves they have made. Lemon basically said it himself back in the Fall.
Well u nailed it. This ain't the first he has done things like this.
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Originally Posted by
basedog
Well u nailed it. This ain't the first he has done things like this.
Mullen was bad about it too. They have their "guys" and they damn near have to be dead before they lose their spot.
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
Mullen was bad about it too. They have their "guys" and they damn near have to be dead before they lose their spot.
Right and it's hard to understand, because I like to win! Heck I'd sit my own son if he wasn't producing!
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Florida goes into BR and takes 2 of 3 from LSU. Gonna be another difficult series next weekend.
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Originally Posted by
Santiago
The past couple of seasons have made some fans soft. Posts on here happy with taking one game this weekend, hoping for just 1 game against Florida. I get that is baseball reality, but at some point, I would like our national championship HC to actually parlay into a team with as much talent as we are playing against.
It should be ok on here to both be surprised at 3-3, but also wonder how we have not developed since the title run compared to the top of the SEC teams raising the bar.
A lot of fans thought we would be 0-6 in SEC play at this point and that we would be following Campbell baseball as much as MSU baseball.
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
Look, I want us to win and excel as much as anyone. And my expectations are that if we aren't competing to host the we aren't successful. That being said, this isn't the SEC of Ron Polk where MSU cared and no one else did. Since UGA won the SEC's first CWS in 1990, a total of 7 SEC schools have won. Arkansas has been within 1 out of a win. And adding Texas and OK add two more championship teams to that list; and A&M, Tennessee and Auburn have all been to the CWS in the last half decade. Kentucky and Bama have both made Supers last year. That means we have exactly 1 team that hasn't shown they are able to build a winner - Missouri. As much as SEC football is a league where the margin of error is thin - SEC baseball has become that on steroids. I think this I going to be a season where this becomes abundantly clear - and teams 1-13 may be stacked up and all fall within 14-17 wins. Tennessee may, may be an exception to this - but I don't think anyone else runs away from the pack.
This is a good post. I also want us to have teams that win the SEC and SEC Tournament. But the reality is like you said- I don't think we'll see very many true "dynasties"- at least not like we saw with LSU in the 1990's anymore. There is way too much parity. And because of that honestly- if we're able to get in we have a chance even if that means we won 13 SEC games which is not great. That's essentially what happened with Ole Miss. I think they actually won 14 but you get what I'm saying.
If we make a regional it's probably going to be us, two mid majors and then a 1 or 2 seed that's an ACC team or someone like Oregon. If we navigate that- and the truth is most regionals are easier than what we typically get on a SEC weekend especially if we stay in the winner's bracket- then we get a three game series to go to Omaha. All it takes then is a good weekend and you're back in Omaha.
And that's not to say that we shouldn't strive to have a 25-5 SEC team, be the number one National Seed and all of that. It's more about the context of the situation.
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
I?ve figured this out about Lemon and it may end up being what gets him fired at some point:
It?s not that he couldn?t get another bat in the portal- he was committed to Trout/Downs. This explains some of the moves they have made. Lemon basically said it himself back in the Fall.
Yeah. With baseball in the portal you just have to try to get the best guys possible and then figure it out. That said- he was certainly willing to take Montgomery which would have without question sent Downs and Chance to the bench.
We'll see if a better season helps us to land better players like that or not.
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Originally Posted by
Santiago
The past couple of seasons have made some fans soft. Posts on here happy with taking one game this weekend, hoping for just 1 game against Florida. I get that is baseball reality, but at some point, I would like our national championship HC to actually parlay into a team with as much talent as we are playing against.
It should be ok on here to both be surprised at 3-3, but also wonder how we have not developed since the title run compared to the top of the SEC teams raising the bar.
THIS!!!
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
A lot of fans thought we would be 0-6 in SEC play at this point and that we would be following Campbell baseball as much as MSU baseball.
Campbell coach has an eye for talent and can evaluate, so he should still be a person of interest.
As much as we say look at us at 3-3, at A&M they could be saying that second game was a loss due to one swing by Hinds, and their second baseman screwing up an easy double play.
Not sure many though we would be 0-6, but most were just hoping for 1 win each series which is sad that is the best we were hoping from Lemonis after this many seasons.
We came out of the first 6 games basically 1 game better than expected, and that was with some help from the Aggies.
What I am seeing is a gritty fun team to watch, but at the same team looking at Lemonis as this is the best he has built on his own, compared to the talent stacked on other teams.
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Originally Posted by
Santiago
Campbell coach has an eye for talent and can evaluate, so he should still be a person of interest.
As much as we say look at us at 3-3, at A&M they could be saying that second game was a loss due to one swing by Hinds, and their second baseman screwing up an easy double play.
Not sure many though we would be 0-6, but most were just hoping for 1 win each series which is sad that is the best we were hoping from Lemonis after this many seasons.
We came out of the first 6 games basically 1 game better than expected, and that was with some help from the Aggies.
What I am seeing is a gritty fun team to watch, but at the same team looking at Lemonis as this is the best he has built on his own, compared to the talent stacked on other teams.
I can’t disagree.
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Originally Posted by
Santiago
Campbell coach has an eye for talent and can evaluate, so he should still be a person of interest.
As much as we say look at us at 3-3, at A&M they could be saying that second game was a loss due to one swing by Hinds, and their second baseman screwing up an easy double play.
Not sure many though we would be 0-6, but most were just hoping for 1 win each series which is sad that is the best we were hoping from Lemonis after this many seasons.
We came out of the first 6 games basically 1 game better than expected, and that was with some help from the Aggies.
What I am seeing is a gritty fun team to watch, but at the same team looking at Lemonis as this is the best he has built on his own, compared to the talent stacked on other teams.
Schools have runs and enjoy them. We were never going to be some juggernaut that is Omaha or Bust. Thats unrealistic. Shit- even LSU has learned that lesson.
We had a run and then the constant chaos at HC caused recruiting to slip some. We have leveled things out and will be back in the Tourney this summer. Up to Lemon after the season to pull some portal guys to fill holes. He keeps recruiting well. Tough luck our best freshman arm went straight TJ surgery. It happens
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Originally Posted by
Santiago
Campbell coach has an eye for talent and can evaluate, so he should still be a person of interest.
As much as we say look at us at 3-3, at A&M they could be saying that second game was a loss due to one swing by Hinds, and their second baseman screwing up an easy double play.
Not sure many though we would be 0-6, but most were just hoping for 1 win each series which is sad that is the best we were hoping from Lemonis after this many seasons.
We came out of the first 6 games basically 1 game better than expected, and that was with some help from the Aggies.
What I am seeing is a gritty fun team to watch, but at the same team looking at Lemonis as this is the best he has built on his own, compared to the talent stacked on other teams.
There were definitely plenty of fans that said "I want to wait until after we play three SEC series" to make a "judgement" on the team. Even though it was pretty clear that many of them expected us to fail miserably. There were talks about the potential of firing Lemonis midseason.
Right now there are only four teams that have better records than MSU in SEC play at this point. Two of those are only one game better. Yes, it is early. But we're certainly holding our own and I don't think there is any question that we're performing better than some of the other big name teams in the SEC like LSU and Vanderbilt.
Personally, I was hoping for a series win and we had a very real chance to do that. I can certainly accept a 1-2 weekend to this Texas A&M team on the road. A&M is what they are this year- they were 9-21 in SEC play in 2021 FWIW so things can change pretty quickly. Next year A&M may be very beatable and we sweep them the next time we play. We'll see.
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
Schools have runs and enjoy them. We were never going to be some juggernaut that is Omaha or Bust. Thats unrealistic. Shit- even LSU has learned that lesson.
We had a run and then the constant chaos at HC caused recruiting to slip some. We have leveled things out and will be back in the Tourney this summer. Up to Lemon after the season to pull some portal guys to fill holes. He keeps recruiting well. Tough luck our best freshman arm went straight TJ surgery. It happens
Yes. Which is why our team is actually pretty heavily built through the portal. At some point we were going to have to pay the piper. Having Foxhall as our pitching coach only compounded it worse.
Most fans don't understand that this current freshman class we just added this year is the first one since we won the NC- and therefore the first one where we reap the benefits of the NC. Which is a big reason why our powers that be were against firing Lemonis in the first place. And it's looks like they were pretty spot on.
None of this is a surprise to you and me though.
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