Best take fron Yesterday

[dawgday166]

Good QBs are made by their supporting cast. Petyon had a number ofr hall of famers around him, as did Troy and Drew even though Drew made his better. Mannings post season only got good in his latter years. Brady was one of a kind..

Good QBs are good in season. In postseason it's another level really.

Montana's 1st two SBs ... only Montana is an HOF player on offense. Lott and Fred Dean on D. And only add Rice from the last 2 SBs (starters only .. Young was on those teams). Only Lott on D for last 2 SBs. But a lot of good players rotated thru there.

Players like Brady and Montana (and Lott) elevate play of other players.

Regardless ... great QBs take care of the football. Dak is very poor at doing that in big games. Yesterday ... he had his mind made up who he was throwing it to before every snap and then telegraphed it.

Not sure about how many HOFers the other QBs had.

Not gonna argue it all day. I do think Dak needs a fresh start for sure. Everybody in Dallas hates him pretty badly and I don't think they're gonna get over it at all.

[Todd4State]

Good QBs are good in season. In postseason it's another level really.

Montana's 1st two SBs ... only Montana is an HOF player on offense. Lott and Fred Dean on D. And only add Rice from the last 2 SBs (starters only .. Young was on those teams). Only Lott on D for last 2 SBs. But a lot of good players rotated thru there.

Players like Brady and Montana (and Lott) elevate play of other players.

Regardless ... great QBs take care of the football. Dak is very poor at doing that in big games. Yesterday ... he had his mind made up who he was throwing it to before every snap and then telegraphed it.

Not sure about how many HOFers the other QBs had.

Not gonna argue it all day. I do think Dak needs a fresh start for sure. Everybody in Dallas hates him pretty badly and I don't think they're gonna get over it at all.

Sorry for my younger days 49ers fandom speaking up here but Roger Craig and probably John Taylor absolutely belong in Canton IMO. Brent Jones was really good too- especially in 1994. /Hijack over.

[dawgday166]

Sorry for my younger days 49ers fandom speaking up here but Roger Craig and probably John Taylor absolutely belong in Canton IMO. Brent Jones was really good too- especially in 1994. /Hijack over.

Craig's longevity and overall stats for a RB are probably borderline. Taylor's longevity and overall stats aren't there for HOF. But I will agree both were easily Pro Bowlers for a few years there.

Brent Jones in 1994 was after Montana left 49ers. Brent was good tho during last 2 years of Montana SBs.

[parabrave]

Craig's longevity and overall stats for a RB are probably borderline. Taylor's longevity and overall stats aren't there for HOF. But I will agree both were easily Pro Bowlers for a few years there.

Brent Jones in 1994 was after Montana left 49ers. Brent was good tho during last 2 years of Montana SBs.

John Taylor, John Stallworth and Alvin Harper are in the same category, best supporting actor.

[parabrave]

Good QBs are good in season. In postseason it's another level really.

Montana's 1st two SBs ... only Montana is an HOF player on offense. Lott and Fred Dean on D. And only add Rice from the last 2 SBs (starters only .. Young was on those teams). Only Lott on D for last 2 SBs. But a lot of good players rotated thru there.

Players like Brady and Montana (and Lott) elevate play of other players.

Regardless ... great QBs take care of the football. Dak is very poor at doing that in big games. Yesterday ... he had his mind made up who he was throwing it to before every snap and then telegraphed it.

Not sure about how many HOFers the other QBs had.

Not gonna argue it all day. I do think Dak needs a fresh start for sure. Everybody in Dallas hates him pretty badly and I don't think they're gonna get over it at all.

So I wonder if Stephen A and all the other talking shitheads will jump into Jalen Hurts ass tomorrow morning.

[Commercecomet24]

1st ... I love Dak. Great guy, great ambassador for MSU, good QB (one of MSU greats). I don't hardly ever disagree with you CC but ...

I think Belichick would trade him. He certainly won't like his salary. I also ain't sure Belichick is the answer in Dallas at this stage of his career either. Besides, I imagine him and Jerry would be even worse than Jimmy Johnson and Jerry got to be.

Personally ... I think it would be better for Dak to start fresh somewhere else anyway. The mental aspect (and criticism) will affect him even more now IMO. He needs a fresh start to try and get past that. Dallas ain't it IMO. He also needs to take a cut in that huge salary so his GM can put a helluva team around him. JMHO.

Dak is a good QB, not an elite one. Good QBs can make it to and even win SBs but they need outstanding supporting casts on both sides of the ball. And Jimmy Johnson needs to remind Dak of the #1 premise for QBs (coined by Jimmy himself) ... "Great QBs don't lose games for you. They do make great plays from time to time to win games, but they almost never lose games for you." ... From there you get a Troy Aikman.

Hurts is a good QB. Last year he had an outstanding supporting cast around him and especially the D. He got to the SB. But he also took care of the football.

I think your overall analysis is pretty accurate about the situation Dak is in but a couple things probably keep him in Dallas for the rest of his career. And I always appreciate your posts. You always have some great takes.

They cant trade him unless Dak approves. Dak has a no tag, no trade in his contract. He holds all the leverage with the boys and they're due for a 60mill cap hit if they don't extend. Also article just came out from the Jones family saying they want to work out an extension with Dak by March that would make him highest paid player in the league. I agree that he hasn't reached elite status, he's a very good qb. Peyton struggled for a long time in postseason before finally getting over the hump and still has a losing postseason record. Daks gonna have to step up in the postseason to get the monkey off his back. Until he does it'll always be there.



ETA Belichik wants the falcons job.

[Commercecomet24]

So I wonder if Stephen A and all the other talking shitheads will jump into Jalen Hurts ass tomorrow morning.

This and why doesn't Lamar Jackson catch more flak? Dude has been a total bust in the playoffs but he doesn't get anywhere near the criticism Dak does. It's strange how this all works lol.

[basedog]

This and why doesn't Lamar Jackson catch more flak? Dude has been a total bust in the playoffs but he doesn't get anywhere near the criticism Dak does. It's strange how this all works lol.

Dallas Cowboy market is close to the New York Yankees, winning big and performing big in the big games is all that matters.

[msstate7]

So I wonder if Stephen A and all the other talking shitheads will jump into Jalen Hurts ass tomorrow morning.

They should. QBs get all the credit in the nfl for wins (undeserved), so they should get all the credit for losses (undeserved, also).

[dawgday166]

So I wonder if Stephen A and all the other talking shitheads will jump into Jalen Hurts ass tomorrow morning.

They might ... don't know. They're talking heads and the more controversy they stir up, the more viewers. I never watch them so I don't know what they might do.

When I used to watch them many years ago, they would make a god out of a QB one week, destroy him the next. Or put him on a pedestal all year, only to then destroy him in the playoffs if he stumbled.

Been thinking more on it ... you have some points about adding good players.

[dawgday166]

I think your overall analysis is pretty accurate about the situation Dak is in but a couple things probably keep him in Dallas for the rest of his career. And I always appreciate your posts. You always have some great takes.

They cant trade him unless Dak approves. Dak has a no tag, no trade in his contract. He holds all the leverage with the boys and they're due for a 60mill cap hit if they don't extend. Also article just came out from the Jones family saying they want to work out an extension with Dak by March that would make him highest paid player in the league. I agree that he hasn't reached elite status, he's a very good qb. Peyton struggled for a long time in postseason before finally getting over the hump and still has a losing postseason record. Daks gonna have to step up in the postseason to get the monkey off his back. Until he does it'll always be there.



ETA Belichik wants the falcons job.

You have some points about Peyton and Elway was the same. But FWIW ... I always thought Eli was a better big game QB than Peyton going all the way back to his days at OM. Both needed a lot more talent around them before they won.

Some QBs put up huge numbers during regular season but then struggle in postseason. Some of it is the talent around them, but I've always thought Peyton was overrated despite his gaudy numbers. Hated the way he tapped his feet all the time. Pretty sure he didn't do that early in his CFB career. Always felt like he was nervous about getting hit back there. Got some of the same feeling from Dak yesterday too. Don't know for sure, just my feeling with both. Playoff physical intensity is even higher than regular season.

One thing I didn't understand about Dak is that huge salary and for a couple of reasons.

1) Highest salaries in the league and such put whoever signs them in VERY bright spotlights, especially QBs. If they falter, fans and media will be all over them about it. And that tends to increase the pressure they are under by a large amount.

2) It eats into the salary cap and limits the supporting cast that can be provided to the QB. So in a way IMO, Dak is a decent part of the blame for lack of key really good players. And he certainly could use additional WR and TE help. He made his bed now tho. If he wants to stay in Dallas, or really go anywhere else, he should negotiate that salary downward some. It would also show the team his commitment to winning. I'm almost positive Montana was never the top paid QB, and probably wasn't even in top 3 for most of his career. Same with Brady until maybe his last year or 2 with NE or/and his stint with the Bucs. And IMO, Dak isn't the best QB in the league. At best he may be 5th best during regular season and maybe not even that high.

[parabrave]

One thing about Sunday that Myself and alot others have said. The Cowboy game plan was terrible. All GB did was go watch the Cowboy 49er game. They did the exact thing. And McCarthy didn't even change a thing from that game either. Take the long pass away with the 2 safety deep and make Dak throw underneath where the DBs were just sitting because they knew the routes.

[basedog]

I wonder if Harbough is interested, or if JJ would be? Harbough regardless is a good coach. Seems he would be a good fit.

[maroonmania]

Players like Brady and Montana (and Lott) elevate play of other players.

Players like Brady and Montana still had an average to good run game to complement them. Dak does not. Other really good QBs on teams that couldn't run the ball (like Marino and Fouts) never won a Super Bowl either. Until Dallas improves at the LOS on both sides of the ball its a moot point about Dak. I don't think anyone has ever thought that Dak could carry a team to the Super Bowl without significant help around him.

[dawgday166]

Players like Brady and Montana still had an average to good run game to complement them. Dak does not. Other really good QBs on teams that couldn't run the ball (like Marino and Fouts) never won a Super Bowl either. Until Dallas improves at the LOS on both sides of the ball its a moot point about Dak. I don't think anyone has ever thought that Dak could carry a team to the Super Bowl without significant help around him.

I can see where you're coming from and would probably mostly agree. I'm not keeping real close tabs on it tho.

I will add FWIW that 1981 Niners and this year's Cowboys had almost identical total yds rushing stats and a higher 4.1/att vs Niners at 3.5/att. This probably isn't a good apples-to-apples comparison since it's really 2 different eras of football.

But yea ... LOS probably needs to improve although during the regular season in one game I had on and not paying close attention to, it seems Aikman was bragging on their Oline I believe. Not positive that's so tho.

[maroonmania]

I can see where you're coming from and would probably mostly agree. I'm not keeping real close tabs on it tho.

I will add FWIW that 1981 Niners and this year's Cowboys had almost identical total yds rushing stats and a higher 4.1/att vs Niners at 3.5/att. This probably isn't a good apples-to-apples comparison since it's really 2 different eras of football.

But yea ... LOS probably needs to improve although during the regular season in one game I had on and not paying close attention to, it seems Aikman was bragging on their Oline I believe. Not positive that's so tho.

Yea, if you just look at Dallas rushing stats and defense against the rush stats, they come up middle of the pack in both and appear to be at least OK. The problem is though that they do really well in those areas when playing scrub teams but when playing teams with winning records struggle mightily in both categories. Unfortunately for Dallas scrub teams don't make the playoffs.

[coachnorm]

Playmaker is raising hell calling for McCarthy to be fired and for them to hire Belichick....listen to me here:

Hire Belichick for a couple years to install the culture- hire Vrabel as DC and HC in waiting. Boom

Coaches just like other professions have shelf life and I believe that Belichick has expired shelf life. Is it not possible that Tom Brady generated a lot of his success? I look at the LV Raiders with an interim head coach who was coaching Long Beach Poly High School Football, five years ago, who has LV pointed in a better position than Belichick and Patriots before his dismissal. Currently, who proved better than who this past season? Is Jerry Jones going to change his stripes or spots whoever he hires?

[parabrave]

Yea, if you just look at Dallas rushing stats and defense against the rush stats, they come up middle of the pack in both and appear to be at least OK. The problem is though that they do really well in those areas when playing scrub teams but when playing teams with winning records struggle mightily in both categories. Unfortunately for Dallas scrub teams don't make the playoffs.

Aikman had one of the greatest Lines ever. Had a Hall of Famer WR, TE. RB and Alvin Harper.