If You Were A Top QB Prospect, Would You Consider Bama?

While watching Bama vs Texas A&M the other night, it kept dawning on me Bama's entire offensive philosophy & overall talent level, goes against what allows QBs to develop for the NFL.

I personally think Jalen Hurts is talented player that is currently in a terrible situation for his overall development towards becoming an NFL QB & likely will never start a game in the NFL due to this lack of development. I will also expand these thoughts to Tongivljalsdasdfasdf because I don't like the way the ball comes out of his hand.

The NFL is an 8-8 league in which QBs are tasked with raising the overall level of their teams play against other teams who have a similar talent as their own. How would any Alabama QB know how to do this?
How could any Bama QB, who plays in an offense & for a coach that believes that, since his talent level is so far superior to anyone else's, the QBs job is to look for his first read &, if that isn't there, run.

It's not that Bama has a bad QB coach, it's that their path of least resistance to winning games, is detrimental to QB development. I can't blame Bama coaches for that, as their job is to win Nattys, not to develop NFL QBs, but the point remains, if you were a top QB recruit with the goal of being an NFL starter, why would you go there?

Sure, you'll get a hot girlfriend, plenty of publicity, SEC Championships, & probably a Natty, but is that the goal? or is the goal to develop into an NFL QB?

I have read some articles where a number of NFL scouts say that one of the most important parts of QB development at the college level is responsibility. How much responsibility did that player have in running his offense, making reads, putting the team on his back. This is where they say they missed on Dak. They didn't realize how much responsibility he had at MSU.

If you look at most of the top NFL QBs, they were at mid-tier schools & raised the level of that school's play. They had decent talent around them but were tasked with finding a way for their decent talent to elevate & beat superior teams.

Dak - MSU
Rivers - NC State
Wilson - NC State/ Wisky
Eli - Ole Miss
Rodgers - Cal
Watson - Clemson (Watson elevated Clemson. They weren't a top recruiter)
Alex Smith - Utah
Newton - Aubur. That Auburn team had average talent.
Flacco - Delaware
Goff - Cal
Trubisky - UNC
Hoyer - Michigan State
Cousins - Michigan State
Dalton - TCU
Bortles - UCF
Brissett - NC State
Taylor - VT
Cutler - Vandy
Brees - Purdue
Roethliberger - Miami of Ohio
Ryan - BC
Carr - Fresno State

You also have some blue bloods, but most of the blue blood QBs were overwhelming talents - Stafford, Brady, Palmer, etc.

what's bammer's / Saban's record on getting QB's into the NFL? (as how it pertains the point you are making)

You really have to consider the Coaches more than the school. Heck look at Bama did back in the 60's with QB.s. If my kid was a qb stud I would send him to Mark Ritch. Hey he has 2 in the NFL right now.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I have read some articles where a number of NFL scouts say that one of the most important parts of QB development at the college level is responsibility. How much responsibility did that player have in running his offense, making reads, putting the team on his back. This is where they say they missed on Dak. They didn't realize how much responsibility he had at MSU.

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That's a blessing and a curse for us I think. Dan really wants to prepare our QBs for the league, and has them doing very advance stuff with progressions and reads. But, with our average talent (meaning few future NFL guys on Offense), the rest of our offense isn't up to the task against teams that have NFL talent on D. It leads to missing open guys, or forcing balls. Our QBs are going with what "should" be happening by Dan's "book" instead of what is actually happening on the field. You saw it in spots with Dak, and see it a lot with Fitz. It's why when we play inferior teams our offense is almost unstoppable but elite teams shut us down. You give Dak that 8-8 talent, and he makes it better (just like he did our 6-6 talent). Fitz may be able to do that too. He is still not far behind where Dak was as a RSJr. - especially when you consider his lack of QB experience in HS.

Yes

You have this backwards. Alabama's offense is actually tailor made for what actually works, percentage wise, in the NFL. The pro-style offensive system will always be the method of choice up there, and with that, you have to 1 - have the arm to make the throws, and 2 - possess great decision making. Everything else is simply gravy.

Alabama's problem has been quarterback evaluation. I don't think Hurts is an NFL quarterback, but he's a good college quarterback, in a great situation. Having talent around you is never a bad thing. I see several things in your post above that are just wrong. Clemson wasn't a top recruiter? WTF? Auburn had average talent around Cam? WTF? Did you see their offensive line?

Isn't McCarron in the NFL?

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

That's a blessing and a curse for us I think. Dan really wants to prepare our QBs for the league, and has them doing very advance stuff with progressions and reads. But, with our average talent (meaning few future NFL guys on Offense), the rest of our offense isn't up to the task against teams that have NFL talent on D. It leads to missing open guys, or forcing balls. Our QBs are going with what "should" be happening by Dan's "book" instead of what is actually happening on the field. You saw it in spots with Dak, and see it a lot with Fitz. It's why when we play inferior teams our offense is almost unstoppable but elite teams shut us down. You give Dak that 8-8 talent, and he makes it better (just like he did our 6-6 talent). Fitz may be able to do that too. He is still not far behind where Dak was as a RSJr. - especially when you consider his lack of QB experience in HS.

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The first half of your post doesn't seem to jibe with the second half. If Mullen is giving QBs freedom to make decisions based on reads and progressions, then how are they not responding to what is actually happening on the field?

I think the way Mullen handles QBs means that it often takes longer to get to our ceiling but gives us a higher ceiling once we get there. The thing that needs to change is the opening up of the offense, especially the downfield passing game, against the best teams on the schedule. I do think he sometimes hammers in the check-down a little too much, but overall I think it's a good thing for the offense.

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Originally Posted by Hasu Dackds

You have this backwards. Alabama's offense is actually tailor made for what actually works, percentage wise, in the NFL. The pro-style offensive system will always be the method of choice up there, and with that, you have to 1 - have the arm to make the throws, and 2 - possess great decision making. Everything else is simply gravy.

Alabama's problem has been quarterback evaluation. I don't think Hurts is an NFL quarterback, but he's a good college quarterback, in a great situation. Having talent around you is never a bad thing. I see several things in your post above that are just wrong. Clemson wasn't a top recruiter? WTF? Auburn had average talent around Cam? WTF? Did you see their offensive line?

Isn't McCarron in the NFL?

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I completely disagree with every thing you just said here. Developing to be an NFL QB has very little to do with your college system IMO (outside of the triple option) & much more to do with responsibility. Having more talent than everyone you play is absolutely a bad thing when learning to elevate your team & overcome your weaknesses is a significant part of development.

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Originally Posted by Bully13

what's bammer's / Saban's record on getting QB's into the NFL? (as how it pertains the point you are making)

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Up until AJ McCarron started a game for the Bengals a few years ago, Alabama had not had a QB start an NFL for almost 30 years.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Having more talent than everyone you play is absolutely a bad thing when learning to elevate your team & overcome your weaknesses is a significant part of development.

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I could see how a little complacency could creep in here for the average kid, yes. Adversity is a good thing for most people.

Previously I was talking more just scheme and success rate in general, which sets you up to be a pretty high draft pick. Yeah, intangibles are a big deal, but let's face it, the NFL is still looking at measurables and prototypes. If you have success in an Alabama type offense it's sort of hard for the NFL not to draft you.

Hard work is a completely different subject altogether.

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Originally Posted by Hasu Dackds

I could see how a little complacency could creep in here for the average kid, yes. Adversity is a good thing for most people.

Previously I was talking more just scheme and success rate in general, which sets you up to be a pretty high draft pick. Yeah, intangibles are a big deal, but let's face it, the NFL is still looking at measurables and prototypes. If you have success in an Alabama type offense it's sort of hard for the NFL not to draft you.

Hard work is a completely different subject altogether.

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Well, actually having to read a defense because everyone isn't wide ass open & learning to pick up 3rd & 10s is also a good thing.

The Bama QB has no stress in the game. They either throw it to the first read, run, or throw it in the 3rd row.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Up until AJ McCarron started a game for the Bengals a few years ago, Alabama had not had a QB start an NFL for almost 30 years.

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Pretty sure that he only started a game because the full time starter had been injured. Bama/Saban doesn't put out NFL QB like they do every other position, but the QB position is one that you actually have to develop. If I was a good QB with NFL aspirations, no way I'd go to Bama. There has been nobody else on planet Earth to make more regular citizens out of can't miss NFL QB prospects than Nick Saban.

Yes I would. Get to have great OL protecting me, all the skilled position players around me making me look way better than I really am AND have a chance to win NC every year.....Yea, I'll take it....(says every Alabama QB the last 15 years)

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Originally Posted by smootness

The first half of your post doesn't seem to jibe with the second half. If Mullen is giving QBs freedom to make decisions based on reads and progressions, then how are they not responding to what is actually happening on the field?

I think the way Mullen handles QBs means that it often takes longer to get to our ceiling but gives us a higher ceiling once we get there. The thing that needs to change is the opening up of the offense, especially the downfield passing game, against the best teams on the schedule. I do think he sometimes hammers in the check-down a little too much, but overall I think it's a good thing for the offense.

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I mean our QBs are trained to make the reads and progressions but the talent around them can?t get to their spots or are defended too tightly for it to work, and the play fails.

You are right on opening up - we just can?t seem to figure out how to do it against elite Ds.

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Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs

Yes I would. Get to have great OL protecting me, all the skilled position players around me making me look way better than I really am AND have a chance to win NC every year.....Yea, I'll take it....(says every Alabama QB the last 15 years)

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Same thing with their Running Backs.

Yeppers. But I’m a homer.

Uh, Yes. You would play on National TV every weekend and probably college football's biggest stage... the NC game.

Btw, they landed a QB from Hawaii.


https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/b...ted-to-alabama

Yes I'd send my son there no doubt

material, imo.

I would think any prospect from anywhere playing any position is going to at least consider the best program in the country, playing for the best coach in the country, who has won 6 of the last 8 SEC titles and 4 of the last 8 national titles. It is a question that answers itself.

Yes, you can make the NFL at QB from just about anywhere. But all the OP says to me is that it is harder than ever to evaluate QBs and determine which will ultimately have what is needed to succeed in the NFL. If you can succeed at QB from anywhere, that certainly includes Alabama. And you will win more there than anywhere else.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

While watching Bama vs Texas A&M the other night, it kept dawning on me Bama's entire offensive philosophy & overall talent level, goes against what allows QBs to develop for the NFL.

I personally think Jalen Hurts is talented player that is currently in a terrible situation for his overall development towards becoming an NFL QB & likely will never start a game in the NFL due to this lack of development. I will also expand these thoughts to Tongivljalsdasdfasdf because I don't like the way the ball comes out of his hand.

The NFL is an 8-8 league in which QBs are tasked with raising the overall level of their teams play against other teams who have a similar talent as their own. How would any Alabama QB know how to do this?
How could any Bama QB, who plays in an offense & for a coach that believes that, since his talent level is so far superior to anyone else's, the QBs job is to look for his first read &, if that isn't there, run.

It's not that Bama has a bad QB coach, it's that their path of least resistance to winning games, is detrimental to QB development. I can't blame Bama coaches for that, as their job is to win Nattys, not to develop NFL QBs, but the point remains, if you were a top QB recruit with the goal of being an NFL starter, why would you go there?

Sure, you'll get a hot girlfriend, plenty of publicity, SEC Championships, & probably a Natty, but is that the goal? or is the goal to develop into an NFL QB?

I have read some articles where a number of NFL scouts say that one of the most important parts of QB development at the college level is responsibility. How much responsibility did that player have in running his offense, making reads, putting the team on his back. This is where they say they missed on Dak. They didn't realize how much responsibility he had at MSU.

If you look at most of the top NFL QBs, they were at mid-tier schools & raised the level of that school's play. They had decent talent around them but were tasked with finding a way for their decent talent to elevate & beat superior teams.

Dak - MSU
Rivers - NC State
Wilson - NC State/ Wisky
Eli - Ole Miss
Rodgers - Cal
Watson - Clemson (Watson elevated Clemson. They weren't a top recruiter)
Alex Smith - Utah
Newton - Aubur. That Auburn team had average talent.
Flacco - Delaware
Goff - Cal
Trubisky - UNC
Hoyer - Michigan State
Cousins - Michigan State
Dalton - TCU
Bortles - UCF
Brissett - NC State
Taylor - VT
Cutler - Vandy
Brees - Purdue
Roethliberger - Miami of Ohio
Ryan - BC
Carr - Fresno State

You also have some blue bloods, but most of the blue blood QBs were overwhelming talents - Stafford, Brady, Palmer, etc.

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I think part of the reason you see so many QBs from less elite schools is simply due to the fact that there is so much development that happens from the time a kid is a Sr in Highschool to a Jr/Sr in college. QB is one of the hardest positions to evaluate so your highly ranked kids going to USC, Ohio State, Bama, Etc. aren't necessarily going to be the cream of the crop in 3-4 years when other kids grow and develop.

Honestly, the biggest difference in 5* IMO is they are ready to play immediately most of the time. That also means they could be closer to their ceiling than the 2-3* QB from It, Mississippi. The odds of being an NFL QB are already extremely extremely unlikely no matter who you play for and I think you could take the majority of the guys you listed and put them on another college team and they have a better than 75% chance of still ending up in the NFL thats including Alabama.

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

material, imo.

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If Hurts was on any other team he would be average at best.

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Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs

If Hurts was on any other team he would be average at best.

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If Mullen had Hurts he'd look better than Fitz.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

If Mullen had Hurts he'd look better than Fitz.

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throwing...definitely.
Running... not a chance.

IMO of course but arguing hypotheticals is pointless I guess.

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Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs

throwing...definitely.
Running... not a chance.

IMO of course but arguing hypotheticals is pointless I guess.

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True but I think Hurts could be a 1000yd rusher here. He's faster than Fitz.

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Originally Posted by BB30

I think part of the reason you see so many QBs from less elite schools is simply due to the fact that there is so much development that happens from the time a kid is a Sr in Highschool to a Jr/Sr in college. QB is one of the hardest positions to evaluate so your highly ranked kids going to USC, Ohio State, Bama, Etc. aren't necessarily going to be the cream of the crop in 3-4 years when other kids grow and develop.

Honestly, the biggest difference in 5* IMO is they are ready to play immediately most of the time. That also means they could be closer to their ceiling than the 2-3* QB from It, Mississippi. The odds of being an NFL QB are already extremely extremely unlikely no matter who you play for and I think you could take the majority of the guys you listed and put them on another college team and they have a better than 75% chance of still ending up in the NFL thats including Alabama.

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I agree with you on this. But, I think it is true for every position, not just QB.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

If Mullen had Hurts he'd look better than Fitz.

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Agree. This is my point.

I wouldn't go to Bama no matter what.

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Originally Posted by Hasu Dackds

You have this backwards. Alabama's offense is actually tailor made for what actually works, percentage wise, in the NFL. The pro-style offensive system will always be the method of choice up there, and with that, you have to 1 - have the arm to make the throws, and 2 - possess great decision making. Everything else is simply gravy.

Alabama's problem has been quarterback evaluation. I don't think Hurts is an NFL quarterback, but he's a good college quarterback, in a great situation. Having talent around you is never a bad thing. I see several things in your post above that are just wrong. Clemson wasn't a top recruiter? WTF? Auburn had average talent around Cam? WTF? Did you see their offensive line?

Isn't McCarron in the NFL?

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I agree with this, playing under a former pro coach (Daboll) with a multiple, pro style approach that can teach you to have full field reads and have play calls that use verbiage and aren't just pictures of a cartoon character are still going to be good ways to impress NFL scouts.

That's the reason why Jimbo Fisher gets every QB he touches drafted, because he runs a multiple, pro style approach where the QB makes a lot of decisions instead of the "check with me" audible approach where the QB looks to the sideline to get the check and then just has 1 defender to read and 1 to 2 options.

The NFL is gravitating more toward a college offense though (Chiefs have a lot of RPO concepts), but you're always going to have the stubborn NFL guys that think their way is the only way.

I just think, like this poster said, that Bama has had bad evals. Hurts and Sims aren't NFL material, neither was Jake Coker. Greg McElroy had a cup of coffee in the NFL but wasn't physically talented enough. Blake Barnett, David Cornwell, and Cooper Bateman were highly rated by recruiting services, but were all obviously overrated since none of the 3 are starting at the schools they've now transferred to.
McCarron is a borderline NFL starter and showed you what an NFL QB can do at Bama.

I think with Hurts they wanted to go more RPO and use their QB as a runner since they had been having such a hard time defending it. Problem is he's just not near the natural passer that dual threats like Cam, Deshaun Watson, and Dak are. Hurts is pretty below average as a natural passer, although I think Taguilova will be good

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

True but I think Hurts could be a 1000yd rusher here. He's faster than Fitz.

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Yup, Hurts is faster, stronger, more mobile and currently is throwing better...

he was just shy of 1000 yards rushing as a Frosh...

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Originally Posted by TUSK

Yup, Hurts is faster, stronger, more mobile and currently is throwing better...

he was just shy of 1000 yards rushing as a Frosh...

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The question I have is why with all those 4 star lineman is he having to run so much?

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

The question I have is why with all those 4 star lineman is he having to run so much?

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He still tucks & runs prematurely and I think he relies on his legs a bit too much, at times...

Also, the Pass Pro is not nearly where it needs to be... Run Blocking looks pretty good, though...

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Originally Posted by TUSK

He still tucks & runs prematurely and I think he relies on his legs a bit too much, at times...

Also, the Pass Pro is not nearly where it needs to be... Run Blocking looks pretty good, though...

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He's better without Kiffen this year. I realize he's matured over the past year, but he seems to fit with Daboll better.

I like Tua better than Hurts. I think he throws a better ball.

This whole thread is pointless anyway, since Shotgun posted an opinion with his mind already made up. Anyone that wouldn't want to play or send their kid to play at Bama under Saban is retarded. You want to play in big games and there is no other place to almost guarantee that than at Bama.

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

He's better without Kiffen this year. I realize he's matured over the past year, but he seems to fit with Daboll better.

I like Tua better than Hurts. I think he throws a better ball.

This whole thread is pointless anyway, since Shotgun posted an opinion with his mind already made up. Anyone that wouldn't want to play or send their kid to play at Bama under Saban is retarded. You want to play in big games and there is no other place to almost guarantee that than at Bama.

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I think I could go either way with this. I guess it depends on how good I was too. If I was a true five star recruit I would probably be developed either place and if worse came to worse and I wasn't satisfied with my QB coaching at Bama I could also get a private instructor.

MSU is kind of a sleeper program for a QB in terms of putting up numbers and wins IMO. What I'm saying is we're about to get a lot better at WR for the next few years and possibly o-line as well. I kind of feel bad for Nick having to operate with Holloway up the middle last year and then the smurf WR's this year plus Hevesy's o-line in big games is a health risk.

If I'm a true four star guy it would probably make more sense to go to MSU unless I was just a huge Bama fan. All things being equal Dan would be better.

If I'm a three star guy MSU would probably be the only choice I would have- but Dan has raised our profile enough that it looks like 4 star QB's are now our baseline so I would probably have to go somewhere else other than MSU or Bama because I probably wouldn't have an offer from either one.

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

Anyone that wouldn't want to play or send their kid to play at Bama under Saban is retarded.

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Jameis Winston grew up a Bama fan in Mobile. He wanted to go there. But all Jimbo Fisher had to do to get him to go to FSU was to tell him to look at the history of NOT putting guys in the NFL. You don't get better by handing the ball off every play in the 4th quarter up by 35 points. I'd say it was NOT a "retarded" move. I'd say he's actually pretty smart because he is a starter in the NFL, and the best QB Saban has ever put in the NFL is a career benchwarmer. Winston developed at FSU.

I'd say if you were a legit NFL potential talent, you'd be wasting your shot at being the NFL by going to Bama. But hey, I'm just going by the numbers. Saban is 0-fer when it comes to his QBs becoming starters in the NFL. Compare Mullen's track record, who has put Josh Harris, 14 year vet and #1 pick Alex Smith (who by the way was the current pro bowl starter), Heisman Trophy Winner and NFL starter Tim Tebow, and some guy named Dak who went on to have arguably the greatest rookie year for a QB in NFL history and currently has more endorsement deals than any other player in the NFL. He also started in the pro bowl. Saban has, well, his lone QB currently in the league has his own restaurant. No major endorsement deals, but nobody really wants that anyway, right? What people really dream of is owning their own restaurant. If that's your dream, Saban is right up your alley!

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Originally Posted by MSUDAWGFAN

Jameis Winston grew up a Bama fan in Mobile. He wanted to go there. But all Jimbo Fisher had to do to get him to go to FSU was to tell him to look at the history of NOT putting guys in the NFL. You don't get better by handing the ball off every play in the 4th quarter up by 35 points. I'd say it was NOT a "retarded" move. I'd say he's actually pretty smart because he is a starter in the NFL, and the best QB Saban has ever put in the NFL is a career benchwarmer. Winston developed at FSU.

I'd say if you were a legit NFL potential talent, you'd be wasting your shot at being the NFL by going to Bama. But hey, I'm just going by the numbers. Saban is 0-fer when it comes to his QBs becoming starters in the NFL. Compare Mullen's track record, who has put Josh Harris, 14 year vet and #1 pick Alex Smith (who by the way was the current pro bowl starter), Heisman Trophy Winner and NFL starter Tim Tebow, and some guy named Dak who went on to have arguably the greatest rookie year for a QB in NFL history and currently has more endorsement deals than any other player in the NFL. He also started in the pro bowl. Saban has, well, his lone QB currently in the league has his own restaurant. No major endorsement deals, but nobody really wants that anyway, right? What people really dream of is owning their own restaurant. If that's your dream, Saban is right up your alley!

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#triggered.

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Originally Posted by MSUDAWGFAN

Jameis Winston grew up a Bama fan in Mobile. He wanted to go there. But all Jimbo Fisher had to do to get him to go to FSU was to tell him to look at the history of NOT putting guys in the NFL. You don't get better by handing the ball off every play in the 4th quarter up by 35 points. I'd say it was NOT a "retarded" move. I'd say he's actually pretty smart because he is a starter in the NFL, and the best QB Saban has ever put in the NFL is a career benchwarmer. Winston developed at FSU.

I'd say if you were a legit NFL potential talent, you'd be wasting your shot at being the NFL by going to Bama. But hey, I'm just going by the numbers. Saban is 0-fer when it comes to his QBs becoming starters in the NFL. Compare Mullen's track record, who has put Josh Harris, 14 year vet and #1 pick Alex Smith (who by the way was the current pro bowl starter), Heisman Trophy Winner and NFL starter Tim Tebow, and some guy named Dak who went on to have arguably the greatest rookie year for a QB in NFL history and currently has more endorsement deals than any other player in the NFL. He also started in the pro bowl. Saban has, well, his lone QB currently in the league has his own restaurant. No major endorsement deals, but nobody really wants that anyway, right? What people really dream of is owning their own restaurant. If that's your dream, Saban is right up your alley!

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Really? You're using Winston as an example? He has trouble forming coherent sentences. I won't even bring up his college issues while at FSU. Maybe, just maybe, he didn't show Bama he was a good fit for their program.

Saban has notoriously recruited smart kids to play QB (aka McClroy, McCarron, etc.). He needs a game manager for his system and offense to be successful. When you're stacked at RB and WR, you don't need a flashy QB to make the offense successful.

We aren't comparing if Mullen develops QBs better than Saban. The OP asked if you were a top rated QB would you go to Bama, and the answer should be a resounding yes. Ask Shea Patterson if he'd rather be on Bama's roster right about now (since he was highly rated out of high school)?

As a side, we got Prescott because Miles is an idiot. Glad we did, but he would have been a Tiger if they would have promised him a shot at QB.

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

Really? You're using Winston as an example? He has trouble forming coherent sentences. I won't even bring up his college issues while at FSU. Maybe, just maybe, he didn't show Bama he was a good fit for their program.

Saban has notoriously recruited smart kids to play QB (aka McClroy, McCarron, etc.). He needs a game manager for his system and offense to be successful. When you're stacked at RB and WR, you don't need a flashy QB to make the offense successful.

We aren't comparing if Mullen develops QBs better than Saban. The OP asked if you were a top rated QB would you go to Bama, and the answer should be a resounding yes. Ask Shea Patterson if he'd rather be on Bama's roster right about now (since he was highly rated out of high school)?

As a side, we got Prescott because Miles is an idiot. Glad we did, but he would have been a Tiger if they would have promised him a shot at QB.

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Winston was absolutely offered by Bama. Your whole smart point goes out the window right there. If he wasn't a fit, Saban shouldn't have offered him. But he did. And Winston turned him down. Maybe, just maybe, he had the sense to realize the numbers don't add up for QBs going to Bama and decided to go somewhere else to develop. If you or Tusk can't handle that, I don't know what to say. I am objective and I look at numbers. If you are any other position, do you go to Bama? Sure, if you can get on the field, but not at QB.

Also, Saban never recruited McElroy. He INHERITED him. So the smart kid who you say is the type of player Saban wants, wasn't recruited by Saban, and the player who is too "retarded" was. I think you have this backwards. Do you even look up ANYTHING before posting your drivel?

Maybe Dak would have gone to LSU. I'm not disputing that. Maybe he wouldn't have ended up in the NFL either. We'll never know. Same with Winston possibly having gone to Bama. What we do know is that Saban is 0-fer in putting QBs in the league that end up starting. All the while he has signed at least one 4 or 5 star QB EVERY YEAR he has been there. Surely, one of these studs could go on to start, right? #FACTS

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

When you're stacked at RB and WR, you don't need a flashy QB to make the offense successful.

The OP asked if you were a top rated QB would you go to Bama, and the answer should be a resounding yes.

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I agree with this first sentence. Saban's goal isn't to develop QBs, it's to win national championships. His formula for doing that is ball control and not turning the ball over. Run the clock down. And that formula is NOT conducive to developing a QB. Which is why I answered the question the OP asked the way I did. Should a top QB go somewhere else? If they have a shot to get to the NFL (and eventually become a starter) they should absolutely go anywhere else.