An explanation of logistics gameday

I realize it is frustrating for many. But it seems many just don?t have a realistic concept of why the postgame traffic is as bad as it is.

1. Starkville population is 25,000 and msu is roughly the same. That means an area that holds 50,000 normally on gameday grows to well over 100,000.

2. While the stadium grew in the last 40 years the area didn?t. It?s the same plot of land. Roads are better, but generally the same.

3. Most important part: the stadium area grows over 5 hour period on gameday. Meaning it trickles in. But the game ends and depending upon the score, upwards of 60,000 expect to leave in less than half that time.

4. Think of a crowded theater and a fire breaking out. Even with emergency exits, there will be a crush at the doors.

5. All lanes going out has its merits, but the shuttles couldn?t get but one group out. That works for many, but also strands many.

Moral of the story, the only time the egress from a game is acceptable is in a blowout, but sometimes not then (LSU) when people stayed to enjoy it. Bama game went to the last play.

Hoping we blow out Ole Miss for more reasons than you can imagine.

I agree with this but there are some situations that traffic flow just seems very odd. I am sure someone that actually has experience with traffic flow designed it but sometimes I am not so sure. It usually doesn't affect me because I just tailgate for another hour or so after the game.

Let's address an area where the previous administration royally screwed up. Prior to the 2014 season, seating in the newly expanded DWS was reallocated based on BDC priority. That's fine, it needed to be done. However, what also should have been done at this same time was reallocation of the parking passes. There are plenty of people who get stuck with a pass on the opposite side of campus from the direction they are entering and leaving. Parking reallocation should occur every few seasons as people relocate their homes, seats within the stadium or just realized they aren't in a good lot for their entrance and exit.

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Originally Posted by MStateDawg

Let's address an area where the previous administration royally screwed up. Prior to the 2014 season, seating in the newly expanded DWS was reallocated based on BDC priority. That's fine, it needed to be done. However, what also should have been done at this same time was reallocation of the parking passes. There are plenty of people who get stuck with a pass on the opposite side of campus from the direction they are entering and leaving. Parking reallocation should occur every few seasons as people relocate their homes, seats within the stadium or just realized they aren't in a good lot for their entrance and exit.

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That makes sense

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

I realize it is frustrating for many. But it seems many just don?t have a realistic concept of why the postgame traffic is as bad as it is.

1. Starkville population is 25,000 and msu is roughly the same. That means an area that holds 50,000 normally on gameday grows to well over 100,000.

2. While the stadium grew in the last 40 years the area didn?t. It?s the same plot of land. Roads are better, but generally the same.

3. Most important part: the stadium area grows over 5 hour period on gameday. Meaning it trickles in. But the game ends and depending upon the score, upwards of 60,000 expect to leave in less than half that time.

4. Think of a crowded theater and a fire breaking out. Even with emergency exits, there will be a crush at the doors.

5. All lanes going out has its merits, but the shuttles couldn?t get but one group out. That works for many, but also strands many.

Moral of the story, the only time the egress from a game is acceptable is in a blowout, but sometimes not then (LSU) when people stayed to enjoy it. Bama game went to the last play.

Hoping we blow out Ole Miss for more reasons than you can imagine.

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That doesn't explain why traffic doesn't move at all. I've been to stadiums where 50000 leave at the same time, and the traffic may be slow but it moves. At MSU, it just sits frozen. Some of that is on stupid drivers, but most of it is on poor planning and execution IMO.

Idea: designate some lots as first to leave, others with a delay. Charge accordingly. Let people pick which works for them. For the delayed lots, put a gate or a guard on them and keep them closed for an hour or so. That would help the traffic flow.

Find the chokepoints that are slowing everything down, and fix them. I would bet the PTB know where the handful of chokepoints are (and they probably aren't on campus), but the fix involves spending a little bit of money so nothing gets done.

Our campus has LESS roads than when I was a student back in the 80s we had 13k students and the stadium seated 30k. It is what it is.

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

That makes sense

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You can request a change at the beginning of the season. If you give them a wide area to move to, not just one parking area, you can sometimes switch.

Can't do that. People leave when they are ready to go. Let's say lot 13 has the first to go, but you want to tailgate for an hour. How does that work?

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

I realize it is frustrating for many. But it seems many just don?t have a realistic concept of why the postgame traffic is as bad as it is.

1. Starkville population is 25,000 and msu is roughly the same. That means an area that holds 50,000 normally on gameday grows to well over 100,000.

2. While the stadium grew in the last 40 years the area didn?t. It?s the same plot of land. Roads are better, but generally the same.

3. Most important part: the stadium area grows over 5 hour period on gameday. Meaning it trickles in. But the game ends and depending upon the score, upwards of 60,000 expect to leave in less than half that time.

4. Think of a crowded theater and a fire breaking out. Even with emergency exits, there will be a crush at the doors.

5. All lanes going out has its merits, but the shuttles couldn?t get but one group out. That works for many, but also strands many.

Moral of the story, the only time the egress from a game is acceptable is in a blowout, but sometimes not then (LSU) when people stayed to enjoy it. Bama game went to the last play.

Hoping we blow out Ole Miss for more reasons than you can imagine.

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Oh, blow it out your bloomers... whatta you know. ***

It is a football game. Expect big crowds and all of the problems big crowds cause. Bring an extra bag of chips and six pack of cokes and wait 30-45 minutes until some of the crowd leaves, or crank that car and drive carefully and slowly off campus to get hoe 20 minutes quicker than if you waited 45 minutes.

There must be something really wrong with me. I never went to a game at Starkville, Oxford, Tuscaloosa or Baton Rouge that I didn't add an extra hour to my travel plans to account for exiting the stadium and town.

You want a nightmare? Attend a NASCAR Race at Talladega. Those idiots take the race with them when they leave. You see one wreck on I-20 and then a wreck four miles down the interstate after passing the first wreck. We have encountered as many as five wrecks between Talladega and Birmingham - on a straight highway with limited access.

Look at the traffic jam as a price we pay for good attendance. You could always bring your Bell Ranger to the south farm and fly back o Kosciusko.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

That doesn't explain why traffic doesn't move at all. I've been to stadiums where 50000 leave at the same time, and the traffic may be slow but it moves. At MSU, it just sits frozen. Some of that is on stupid drivers, but most of it is on poor planning and execution IMO.

Idea: designate some lots as first to leave, others with a delay. Charge accordingly. Let people pick which works for them. For the delayed lots, put a gate or a guard on them and keep them closed for an hour or so. That would help the traffic flow.

Find the chokepoints that are slowing everything down, and fix them. I would bet the PTB know where the handful of chokepoints are (and they probably aren't on campus), but the fix involves spending a little bit of money so nothing gets done.

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**** AMY TUCK, former LT Governor, is who needs to be contacted... Yes, those parking passes need re-working.... I could walk home faster than getting in the traffic. Also, ALL shuttles should be suspended for 2 hours after a game to the City Routes.... ie all shuttles should run to the parking areas and not through the city.... As to the parking... it was an idiot that decided that they wanted a WALKING campus.... so guess what... less roads and parking lots.... Ask employees that cannot locate parking...

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Originally Posted by MeridianDog

It is a football game. Expect big crowds and all of the problems big crowds cause. Bring an extra bag of chips and six pack of cokes and wait 30-45 minutes until some of the crowd leaves, or crank that car and drive carefully and slowly off campus to get hoe 20 minutes quicker than if you waited 45 minutes.

There must be something really wrong with me. I never went to a game at Starkville, Oxford, Tuscaloosa or Baton Rouge that I didn't add an extra hour to my travel plans to account for exiting the stadium and town.

You want a nightmare? Attend a NASCAR Race at Talladega. Those idiots take the race with them when they leave. You see one wreck on I-20 and then a wreck four miles down the interstate after passing the first wreck. We have encountered as many as five wrecks between Talladega and Birmingham - on a straight highway with limited access.

Look at the traffic jam as a price we pay for good attendance. You could always bring your Bell Ranger to the south farm and fly back o Kosciusko.

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Unfortunately true. Don’t want to get into a large crowd, leave early or stay late. Period.

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Originally Posted by MeridianDog

You could always bring your Bell Ranger to the south farm and fly back o Kosciusko.

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No no no! Take your Airbus H125 (AS350) instead. I build those and we need to sell some!

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Originally Posted by Mjoelner34

No no no! Take your Airbus H125 (AS350) instead. I build those and we need to sell some!

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Hard to park. Bell Ranger much easier. (Just saying)

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Unfortunately true. Don’t want to get into a large crowd, leave early or stay late. Period.

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I don't complain about the volume of traffic. That's to be expected. What I complain about are needed turns that are not allowed, and forced turns that send you out in the middle of nowhere (e.g., Blackjack to Stone, instead of continuing to Hwy 12). Even my nav system didn't know where I was after a while (literally).

They've gotten rid of one of the bottlenecks ... the golf carts. Now they need to keep people from walking in the middle of streets that are open to traffic, and realize that everybody doesn't need to go where they have you going.

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Oh, blow it out your bloomers... whatta you know. ***

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You are literally my favorite person on earth.

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Originally Posted by Mimi's Babies

**** AMY TUCK, former LT Governor, is who needs to be contacted... Yes, those parking passes need re-working.... I could walk home faster than getting in the traffic. Also, ALL shuttles should be suspended for 2 hours after a game to the City Routes.... ie all shuttles should run to the parking areas and not through the city.... As to the parking... it was an idiot that decided that they wanted a WALKING campus.... so guess what... less roads and parking lots.... Ask employees that cannot locate parking...

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Dear word. Mimi. Stop it with this. It?s physics. Suspend the shuttles and the people who park farther away AND ARENT part of the problem are punished. The shuttles are the only thing that provide relief from the mass amount of cars. They move people quickly OUTWARD to places where the traffic isn?t.

Read my original post. Better yet just stop all together. You should stick to rumors about recruiting. You get a portion of those correct. When it comes to this you know nothing.

Amy Tuck will not solve a problem that has to do with 100000 people in a small area leaving at the same time. She is fantastic. She isn?t a magician.

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

Dear word. Mimi. Stop it with this. It?s physics. Suspend the shuttles and the people who park farther away AND ARENT part of the problem are punished. The shuttles are the only thing that provide relief from the mass amount of cars. They move people quickly OUTWARD to places where the traffic isn?t.

Read my original post. Better yet just stop all together. You should stick to rumors about recruiting. You get a portion of those correct. When it comes to this you know nothing.

Amy Tuck will not solve a problem that has to do with 100000 people in a small area leaving at the same time. She is fantastic. She isn?t a magician.

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Dude, she has 1800 posts in 9 months, she obviously picks and chooses where she posts. ***.

I park downtown and have no problem. We ride the shuttle in and make a 15 to 20 minute walk back. On 25 south in front of most the traffic. I think it is crazy parking on campus for night SEC game. I am half way to Louisville before most are off campus.

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

I realize it is frustrating for many. But it seems many just don?t have a realistic concept of why the postgame traffic is as bad as it is.

1. Starkville population is 25,000 and msu is roughly the same. That means an area that holds 50,000 normally on gameday grows to well over 100,000.

2. While the stadium grew in the last 40 years the area didn?t. It?s the same plot of land. Roads are better, but generally the same.

3. Most important part: the stadium area grows over 5 hour period on gameday. Meaning it trickles in. But the game ends and depending upon the score, upwards of 60,000 expect to leave in less than half that time.

4. Think of a crowded theater and a fire breaking out. Even with emergency exits, there will be a crush at the doors.

5. All lanes going out has its merits, but the shuttles couldn?t get but one group out. That works for many, but also strands many.

Moral of the story, the only time the egress from a game is acceptable is in a blowout, but sometimes not then (LSU) when people stayed to enjoy it. Bama game went to the last play.

Hoping we blow out Ole Miss for more reasons than you can imagine.

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thinking over how other places do it, the key seems to be giving people only one lane. no choice on where they're going until they are wayyyyy away from the stadium. and they have to have no stops on that route, no redlights or stop signs, so that's it's continuous flow and not stop and start traffic that gives you maybe 1/4 the flow rate. once you start giving people choices, the idiot and selfish drivers ruin it for everyone. take one look at the traffic egress plan with that in mind.

so, with that in mind, let's revisit my idea. every lot should have one and only one route out. some all the way down blackjack/octoc to 45. others out the old way to 25. others to 82. for one hour after the game. then all routes open up. pick your lot based on your exit route, or wait.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

thinking over how other places do it, the key seems to be giving people only one lane. no choice on where they're going until they are wayyyyy away from the stadium. and they have to have no stops on that route, no redlights or stop signs, so that's it's continuous flow and not stop and start traffic that gives you maybe 1/4 the flow rate. once you start giving people choices, the idiot and selfish drivers ruin it for everyone. take one look at the traffic egress plan with that in mind.

so, with that in mind, let's revisit my idea. every lot should have one and only one route out. some all the way down blackjack/octoc to 45. others out the old way to 25. others to 82. for one hour after the game. then all routes open up. pick your lot based on your exit route, or wait.

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That would help. So would making most routes off campus one way, both lanes. My son went to a game at Clemson this year. That's what he said they did and he said it was pretty smooth. That town is as small as Starkville. On the North side of campus it would really help if there was no eastbound traffic on 182 from 12 to the campus entrance and no west bound traffic from 82 to the campus entrance.

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

Dear word. Mimi. Stop it with this. It?s physics. Suspend the shuttles and the people who park farther away AND ARENT part of the problem are punished. The shuttles are the only thing that provide relief from the mass amount of cars. They move people quickly OUTWARD to places where the traffic isn?t.

Read my original post. Better yet just stop all together. You should stick to rumors about recruiting. You get a portion of those correct. When it comes to this you know nothing.

Amy Tuck will not solve a problem that has to do with 100000 people in a small area leaving at the same time. She is fantastic. She isn?t a magician.

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You must spread rep around before giving it gravedigger again.

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Originally Posted by Mimi's Babies

**** AMY TUCK, former LT Governor, is who needs to be contacted... Yes, those parking passes need re-working.... I could walk home faster than getting in the traffic. Also, ALL shuttles should be suspended for 2 hours after a game to the City Routes.... ie all shuttles should run to the parking areas and not through the city.... As to the parking... it was an idiot that decided that they wanted a WALKING campus.... so guess what... less roads and parking lots.... Ask employees that cannot locate parking...

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Just when I think you have gotten to the tip of the iceberg, you prove me wrong. Rudolph needs help to get back to donner. what should we do? Call santa I suppose??

I leave campus east on 182. I park on the fringe of campus. I stayed until 0:00 on the clock. Walked 1 mile or less to my vehicle and was on the road. I made it home (155 miles away) at 12:30. That even included food and gas stop in West Point.

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

I leave campus east on 182. I park on the fringe of campus. I stayed until 0:00 on the clock. Walked 1 mile or less to my vehicle and was on the road. I made it home (155 miles away) at 12:30. That even included food and gas stop in West Point.

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Same here. I park for free on Lee Blvd for every game I go to, big crowd or not. I have never once had a problem getting out in a timely manner.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

That would help. So would making most routes off campus one way, both lanes. My son went to a game at Clemson this year. That's what he said they did and he said it was pretty smooth. That town is as small as Starkville. On the North side of campus it would really help if there was no eastbound traffic on 182 from 12 to the campus entrance and no west bound traffic from 82 to the campus entrance.

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Yeah, you shouldn't have traffic with a clear route to the bypass have an option to take 182 to the campus entrance, having to merge with that traffic going right to the other end of the bypass. Creates a chokepoint where there doesnt have to be one.

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

I don't complain about the volume of traffic. That's to be expected. What I complain about are needed turns that are not allowed, and forced turns that send you out in the middle of nowhere (e.g., Blackjack to Stone, instead of continuing to Hwy 12). Even my nav system didn't know where I was after a while (literally).

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I wouldn't mind being sent into the middle of nowhere, since my GPS will guide me out, but I don't understand why when I leave my lot next to Lee Hall I get directed to turn left at the traffic light and weave back through campus instead of heading straight down to highway 182. It seems to me like they should send each lot to the quickest route off campus and let drivers choose which way to go from there.

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

I don't complain about the volume of traffic. That's to be expected. What I complain about are needed turns that are not allowed, and forced turns that send you out in the middle of nowhere (e.g., Blackjack to Stone, instead of continuing to Hwy 12). Even my nav system didn't know where I was after a while (literally).

They've gotten rid of one of the bottlenecks ... the golf carts. Now they need to keep people from walking in the middle of streets that are open to traffic, and realize that everybody doesn't need to go where they have you going.

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They won't send you back to Hwy 12 because it is a main artery out for people leaving the west side of campus headed west or southwest. They don't want to dump more people into an already bottlenecked area (Hwy 12/Blackjack/Spring St Intersection) so you can go against the flow of traffic to hit 82 and go east. That's going around your ass to get to your elbow. From the southside of campus - going east on Blackjack or Oktoc to Artesia is much easier way.

I park in the research park and ride the shuttle there and back. Never had a problem and exiting is SUPER fast because you can easily hit the bypass out of the research park. The shuttles run pretty quickly typically. That being said, I didn't attend the Bama game so it may have been a cluster****.

ETA: Plus it seems there are always hot girls on the shuttle. It's always nice to have great views on the way to and fro. I'm still thinking of a pair of shorts from the UMass game...whew...