I think Jackie could?ve managed at least 3 SEC wins a year, plus the 4 cupcakes Mullins played. That?s at leaat 7 wins right there.
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Let's back that up and look at where we were when Jackie took over vs when Mullen did. In 1992- we were basically looked at by recruits as being the same as La Tech, Memphis, etc. Our facilities were awful. Our stadium seated 35K.
Mullen took over in a time of an elevated SEC that was getting its own network. Bigger stadium, mo momey, mo money, mo money...State was no longer looked at as being comparable to Memphis or La Tech anymore
I don't disagree, and like I said earlier I like Jackie and am very appreciative of what he did for MSU.
The SEC network started in 2014. Mullen took over in 09.
Lastly, Pre Saban LSU from 1992-1999 while Jackie was at State had an overall record of 44-46. We were 1-7 in those 8 meetings (and we only got the 1 due to there being no instant replay) including a 41-6 beat down to a 4-7 LSU team in the 98' SECW championship season.
That's the point, they performed similarly with the Kang having higher highs and lower lows. Muffins had a tougher SEC but Kang played tougher OOC schedules.
Nobody isn't giving him his due, what are you talking about
I give credit to Merlot for leaving when he did, instead of getting a bad attitude and giving up at the end like Kang. And it was headed that direction, see the emphasis on JUCOs
Dan was feasting on minnows and his record is terrible in games with the spread less than 10 in his favor. You could say the Mullen factor is -6 to the opposition. Phil Steel keeps that kind of data.
Mullen will be a Saban ?analyst? in two/three years. But if I were Saban, I would rather have Freeze as an analyst. Freeze always went straight for Saban throat when playing Bama.
While the network didnt launch until 2014- there was a good 2 years before it launched of SEC coaches selling it to recruits.
The SEC was still the SEC in the 90's. Auburn went undefeated once and was solid. Bama won the NC in 1992. OM was consistent with Tubbs and Cutcliffe. It just didnt have the 1 dominant team as it does now. Auburn has had losing seasons as has OM during Mullen's tenure. UPig has had losing seasons during Mullen's tenure just as they did in the 90's.
In the 9 year periods from 1992-2000 and 2009-2017 every team in the SECW except Ole Miss (Excluding AM) is better from 09-17.
The SECW was for Mullen what the SECE was for Jackie. Mullen dealt with Bama, Auburn, and LSU every year relatively equivalent to how Tennessee, Florida, and Georgia were in the 90s.
Jackie in these 9 years played the eventual national champion or national runner up twice. Bama 92' and UT 98'. Mullen played the national champ or national runner up 10 times.
The levels of competition aren't even close.
The TD was very close and could have been overturned but I have seen worse not overturned. I will say without a shadow of doubt that LSU the next year was given a TD by the refs. LSU scored a TD with Eugene Clinton the only one in the endzone with the ball. The LSU player somehow scored a TD from around the 4 yard line while the ball crossed the goal line. I would think that more than made up for it since that game doesn't go into overtime without that TD.
I?ll always remember JWS as accomplishing more than Mullen. Mullen is a solid coach though. Very good QB coach.
UPig is the same now as it was in 90's- 4 losing seasons in that span but an SEC West co-title vs 3 losing seasons 2009-2017
Auburn had 2 losing seasons in that 90's span with 4 top 15 finishes- including 1 undefeated season. Auburn has 2 last place West finishes in the Mullen-era
OM had 2 losing seasons in the Jackie-era 90's- but had 3 in the Mullen era
All thats a wash....LSU and Bama are certainly better tho.
The 90's also had a tougher East- which made those games tougher- as opposed to being the easier games as the power of the SEC has shifted to the West. Did Mullen play a tougher West? Sure. Did Mullen start at a higher point than Jackie to equip him to meet those demands? Absolutely.
This.
Dan's SEC and especially SEC West were as strong as any division has been... ever.
Jackie won while LSU & Bama were WAY down from what they've been the last 10 years, and while Auburn had some dips.
The East was the bear back then and Jackie avoided playing even 1 of UF, UGA, and UT in many years.
As opposed to Jackie? First of all we always play UK no matter what. This wasn't a scheduling tactic by Mullen. Also, Jackie lost to UK in the 98 SECW Champ season.
Next here is a list of all non conference opponents from 1992-2000
1992
Texas
Memphis
Ark St
1993
Tulane
Ark St
Mem
1994
Mem
Ark St.
Tulane
1995
Baylor
NE Louisiana
Memphis
1996
La Tech
Memphis
NE Lousiana
1997
Memphis
NE Louisiana
UCF
1998
Memphis
E Tenn St.
Ok St
1999
Ok St
MTSU
Memphis
2000
BYU
Memphis
MTSU
So in his first nine years Jackie played a total 3 power 5 teams:
1992 Texas 6-5
1995 Baylor 7-4
1998 Ok St. 5-6 (Beat State SECW Champs)
1999 Ok St. 5-6
Yeah and notice all the cupcakes, I'm sure he would have scheduled a 4th if it were allowed
During sherrill tenure, sec West won 1 natty (1992 bama). During Mullen tenure, sec West won 6 natties, 2 other west teams played in championship game, and bama lost in playoff game.