Can a college team win a Natty w/mostly 3*&* athletes, no 5*'s

Got to have men in the trenches, first and foremost.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Fitzgerald isn't Cam, not even close, and I'm a big Fitz fan. Cam Newton was the most dominant college player ever.

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And a team full of two and three stars almost beat them that year in Starkville.

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Originally Posted by Indndawg

I say, w/super coaching...yes

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Wisconsin has come close. Plus there is an inherent mental bias to how rating are made. If Bama wants you, then a player is almost a default 4 star. Southerners are the buyers and makers of recruiting information so SEC recruits will always be rated higher.

That said, Wisconsin is an exception. Minnesota sucks, Illinois sucks, and Iowa just ok.

I think quality teams are made by quality players and quality players gather and perform for quality coaches

So I rather seek and retain a 5* coach (MSU formula) than Pimp and Gimick for 4/5* players (Ole Miss Formula)

Anything can happen but it hasn't been done yet. Eventually it will.

You can only play 11 players on offense and 11 on defense. As long as those 22 players are playing to the level of a four or five star then yes.

As Mullen says it's not about how many stars you had then it's about how many stars you have now. The guys who earn PT at state must at least be 4 star level. Simmons is playing at 7 or 8 star level. Fitz is at 6-7 star level. Aeris is playing at 7 star level. They have taken the talent they had coming in and with training and experience built upon it.

One game doesn't mean anything. It's about surviving the grind. Nowadays you can even drop a game and still be in the national picture.

When has Wisconsin come close? Only non-blue blood team I've ever seen give it a real shot in the modern era was Oregon.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

And a team full of two and three stars almost beat them that year in Starkville.

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Yep, held them to their lowest point total (17) all season including SECCG and BCS Title game.

Pistons dominated the Lakers in 2004. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

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Originally Posted by Token Bammer

Pistons dominated the Lakers in 2004. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

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Not a good comparison. The Pistons starting 5 were all in the Top 10 at their position. The Lakers just had 2 elite players with the names but the rest of the team was mediocre compared to the Pistons.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Not a good comparison. The Pistons starting 5 were all in the Top 10 at their position. The Lakers just had 2 elite players with the names but the rest of the team was mediocre compared to the Pistons.

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It is a great comparison. Pistons were not a team with star power and not one elite scorer. They played defense, rebounded, and out worked their opponents. They played as a team, and my point was sometimes the best TEAM isn't the one with most star power. The Lakers had two of the five best players in basketball at the time and two other hall of famers. The Lakers were a heavy favorite.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Anything can happen but it hasn't been done yet. Eventually it will.

You can only play 11 players on offense and 11 on defense. As long as those 22 players are playing to the level of a four or five star then yes.

As Mullen says it's not about how many stars you had then it's about how many stars you have now. The guys who earn PT at state must at least be 4 star level. Simmons is playing at 7 or 8 star level. Fitz is at 6-7 star level. Aeris is playing at 7 star level. They have taken the talent they had coming in and with training and experience built upon it.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

You can only play 11 players on offense and 11 on defense. As long as those 22 players are playing to the level of a four or five star and they never get hurt or tired, then yes.

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FIFY

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Originally Posted by TUSK

FIFY

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Lol!

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Originally Posted by Token Bammer

It is a great comparison. Pistons were not a team with star power and not one elite scorer. They played defense, rebounded, and out worked their opponents. They played as a team, and my point was sometimes the best TEAM isn't the one with most star power. The Lakers had two of the five best players in basketball at the time and two other hall of famers. The Lakers were a heavy favorite.

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Basketball and football are totally different sports. It was also the peak of the Kobe/shaq rift that splintered the lakers dynasty. If there’s public fueding going on between bama players and saban and what not, our chances of beating them go up exponentially. Finally, it’s professional sports. Every player actually playing important minutes for for a championship caliber team is a 4* talent minimum.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

Basketball and football are totally different sports. It was also the peak of the Kobe/shaq rift that splintered the lakers dynasty. If there’s public fueding going on between bama players and saban and what not, our chances of beating them go up exponentially. Finally, it’s professional sports. Every player actually playing important minutes for for a championship caliber team is a 4* talent minimum.

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Yes, different sports.

My goodness the point of this post is missed. I still say it's a great example. Like I originally said, it doesn't happen OFTEN but it does happen.

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Originally Posted by BB30

Cam was one of the freakiest athletes to play in the SEC. He could have played 3 or 4 other positions and excelled at all of them. Not many people could single handedly take over a football game like he could.

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Ehh, he had a senior/experience laden oline (Pugh/Ziemba) that helped him tremendously, a killer TE (Lutzenkirshen) plus a couple of bad asses on defense (Nick Fairley/Dee Ford), and a Fresh all SEC RB (Dyer) that helped him and they still had a few nail biter games that year that could have turned the tables on their season.

Cam was dynamic and could get you 3 yrds just by stretching out on a play. He made something out of nothing and could get you yards. The fact that Chizik was able to hold that team together and get them focused with all of the outside distractions is what's truly amazing.

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Originally Posted by Token Bammer

Yes, different sports.

My goodness the point of this post is missed. I still say it's a great example. Like I originally said, it doesn't happen OFTEN but it does happen.

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And you’re missing the point that the Kobe/shaq rift was at its peak which most definitely played a major role in the pistons championship win. Throw in the fact that the pistons roster was probably DEEPER, just not as top loaded, and the fact that the early to mid 00s era of the NBA that allowed for a lot of rugged defense, which muddled up games to the point of being unwatchable, and that’s how the pistons won. So basically if hurts and Calvin Ridley publicly feud, while saban picks a side, and the sec officials decide to let our defense hold, grab, and hit bama without calling penalties, then maybe we’d start to get into the same type situation that led to the pistons winning the 04 championship. But then we still aren’t addressing the fact that bama has a much deeper roster than we do, so we’d need a bunch of injuries in tuscaloser to even things up a bit in that department.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

And you’re missing the point that the Kobe/shaq rift was at its peak which most definitely played a major role in the pistons championship win. Throw in the fact that the pistons roster was probably DEEPER, just not as top loaded, and the fact that the early to mid 00s era of the NBA that allowed for a lot of rugged defense, which muddled up games to the point of being unwatchable, and that’s how the pistons won. So basically if hurts and Calvin Ridley publicly feud, while saban picks a side, and the sec officials decide to let our defense hold, grab, and hit bama without calling penalties, then maybe we’d start to get into the same type situation that led to the pistons winning the 04 championship.

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Wow. Just wow. I stand corrected.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

And you?re missing the point that the Kobe/shaq rift was at its peak which most definitely played a major role in the pistons championship win. Throw in the fact that the pistons roster was probably DEEPER, just not as top loaded, and the fact that the early to mid 00s era of the NBA that allowed for a lot of rugged defense, which muddled up games to the point of being unwatchable, and that?s how the pistons won. So basically if hurts and Calvin Ridley publicly feud, while saban picks a side, and the sec officials decide to let our defense hold, grab, and hit bama without calling penalties, then maybe we?d start to get into the same type situation that led to the pistons winning the 04 championship. But then we still aren?t addressing the fact that bama has a much deeper roster than we do, so we?d need a bunch of injuries in tuscaloser to even things up a bit in that department.

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When did this thread turn into an NBA pissing match = <17> the NBA.

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Originally Posted by calidawg

In the last 20 years, every national champion has had at least 2 top 10 classes in the 4 years leading up to their title except for 2. Oklahoma in 2000 and Clemson last year. Oklahoma had 1 top 10 class and Clemson had 1 top 10 class and 1 class that was 11th. So in reality.. no

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Clemson had 1 top 10 class the past 5 years before the title (the most recent class that was 9th), one 11th (before the first NC appearance) and the 3 years before were all barely Top 15. The last two years, the vast majority of their 2 deep has been in those first 3 classes that were barely within Top 15.

Bottom line, "Top 10" is an inaccurate and arbitrary number for defining an elite recruiting class. Top 15 has historically been a more correct number. Not a lot of difference between the performance of a team who's average class rank is 10th vs. 15th over a 4 year period. But there's a huge difference between 15th and 20th. At or inside the Top 15 gives you a chance to win it all.