Percy Harvin Effect

We've all complained about the WRs this year. They've been called the midgets and worse. After Bear, Fred Ross, and the dismissal of Fred Brown our coaches failed to recruit high quality X receivers for this offense. Todd, Couch, and Mitchell were simply a reaction to the realization that we had no size at WR.

Granted I agree that HF, as a former WR coach himself, was on a mission to recruit by any illegal means necessary every WR away from us however there is another factor. I believe that Mullen became obsessed with trying to find the next Percy Harvin.

We all remember Percy Harvin. 5'11 tough, elusive with game breaking speed. Mullen thought Donald Gray, Malik Dear, Deddrick Thomas, Gabe Myles, Keith Mixon were going to be the next PH. For various and sundry reasons it has not happened. Most notably the fact that Percy played surrounded by big time WRs and TEs. However, it looks like Gonzales and Mullen are turning the page. In our recruiting there are no slot receivers. Every WR is an X or a TE body.This bodes well for the future.

While I understand that this year we have a glut of slot WRs I would love to see what Kylin Hill would do from the slot. If anyone on this team has the chance to be the next PH it is KH.

We don't use any of our WRs like Mullen used Harvin back in 2008. We don't do many zig-zagging speed sweeps. Maybe it's because none of them are fast enough. I happen to believe Mixon could do it, but I digress.

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Originally Posted by Hasu Dackds

We don't use any of our WRs like Mullen used Harvin back in 2008. We don't do many zig-zagging speed sweeps. Maybe it's because none of them are fast enough. I happen to believe Mixon could do it, but I digress.

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We use Mixon poorly. Kid is a playmaker, but we fail to put the ball in his hands

Look, we've struggled with recruiting. It's not just WR. We appear to finally have coaches on staff that understand how to recruit better, but there's no excuses for the lazy assed recruiting Hev and Gonzo have engaged in the last couple of years. I also think we struggle to handle juco recruiting, as evidenced by the number of redshirts we use on them and the lack of skill guys we're pulling. Our coaches got comfortable and the recruiting really fell off, even from the mediocre recruiting we were doing. You can survive one weak class, you can't survive two. We've also lacked support staff for recruiting until the last couple of years.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

We use Mixon poorly. Kid is a playmaker, but we fail to put the ball in his hands

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Agree. How many jet sweeps have we seen this year? Damn near none. How much motion? Damn near none.

Harvin had the luxury of playing with the likes of Aaron Hernandez, Riley Cooper and Louis Murphy. He had playmakers around him. I think if we had some legit playmakers on the outside and at TE, it would open up things that would could do with our slot guys.

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Originally Posted by stalkingpoon

Harvin had the luxury of playing with the likes of Aaron Hernandez, Riley Cooper and Louis Murphy. He had playmakers around him. I think if we had some legit playmakers on the outside and at TE, it would open up things that would could do with our slot guys.

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This is true but we don't even see these plays against teams where we hold a talent advantage, like BYU.

Harvin is an elite college HOF player. We don't run Harvin type plays tailored for one player's explosiveness because we don't have a HOF player like that. Everyone has been trying to find another Percy but those guys only come around once a decade. Has there been another player in college as explosive as him that is both a RB & WR since he left Florida? I am drawing a blank.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GdpKSfNckbg

Uh...

Percy Harvin was a ridiculous 5* receiver. The number 2 overall player in his class, number 1 WR. One of the best high school WRs in the past twenty years. You don't just recruit low 3* WRs who happen to be 5'11" and hope they're "the next Percy Harvin." Their height was literally the only thing those players have in common. Nor do I think Dan was looking for the next PH, because the next PH ain't gonna be a low 3* recruit. I think we were just bad at recruiting WRs, and the ones we got just happened to also be midgets. Haha. I don't think there was some intentional effort by our staff to find the next Harvin.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

We've all complained about the WRs this year. They've been called the midgets and worse. After Bear, Fred Ross, and the dismissal of Fred Brown our coaches failed to recruit high quality X receivers for this offense. Todd, Couch, and Mitchell were simply a reaction to the realization that we had no size at WR.

Granted I agree that HF, as a former WR coach himself, was on a mission to recruit by any illegal means necessary every WR away from us however there is another factor. I believe that Mullen became obsessed with trying to find the next Percy Harvin.

We all remember Percy Harvin. 5'11 tough, elusive with game breaking speed. Mullen thought Donald Gray, Malik Dear, Deddrick Thomas, Gabe Myles, Keith Mixon were going to be the next PH. For various and sundry reasons it has not happened. Most notably the fact that Percy played surrounded by big time WRs and TEs. However, it looks like Gonzales and Mullen are turning the page. In our recruiting there are no slot receivers. Every WR is an X or a TE body.This bodes well for the future.

While I understand that this year we have a glut of slot WRs I would love to see what Kylin Hill would do from the slot. If anyone on this team has the chance to be the next PH it is KH.

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Disagree completely with just about everything you said. I don't think Mullen has become obsessed with finding the next Percy Harvin. If he would have been obsessed with finding one, you could throw Billy Gonzales in there too since he was the recruiter of Percy Harvin at Florida. Harvin was a generational talent. Was the number 1 or 2 ranked player overall in his class.

As far as kylin hill comparison to harvin, Harvin was 5'11 175 lbs. Kylin Hill is about 30 lbs heavier than Harvin.

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Originally Posted by Hasu Dackds

This is true but we don't even see these plays against teams where we hold a talent advantage, like BYU.

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Exactly.

I feel like Dan always tries to spread the ball around and be balanced in all aspects, but when you only have 1 or 2 playmakers at WR, you need to create ways to get them touches. There's no excuse for the lack of involvement of Donald Gray so far this year. No, he's not getting much separation outside at 5'9....so it is our HC/OC's job to find other ways to get him involved, and the same goes with Mixon. Run a damn reverse for goodness sakes, we don't even ever try a basic reverse. Jet sweeps, reverses, how about lining Gray or Mixon up in the wildcat? Something. Nope, not us. How about we create a package where we run some triple option like Fitz ran in HS? Not 10 plays, but like 2, just to confuse the defense and give us a chance at a big play. The lack of creativity & utilizing our best players is frustrating as hell.

And speaking of playmakers....as much as I love the A-Train, Kylin Hill & Nick Gibson are much bigger HomeRun threats at RB. So while I'm fine with Aeris getting the lions share, we need those two touching the ball more to give us a HR threat beyond Fitz's legs.

How about a Diamond set with 2 or all 3 of our stud RB's? Too creative, I know.

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Originally Posted by bostondawg

Uh...

Percy Harvin was a ridiculous 5* receiver. The number 2 overall player in his class, number 1 WR. One of the best high school WRs in the past twenty years. You don't just recruit low 3* WRs who happen to be 5'11" and hope they're "the next Percy Harvin." Their height was literally the only thing those players have in common. Nor do I think Dan was looking for the next PH, because the next PH ain't gonna be a low 3* recruit. I think we were just bad at recruiting WRs, and the ones we got just happened to also be midgets. Haha. I don't think there was some intentional effort by our staff to find the next Harvin.

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This^

I don't know about Kylin Hill in the slot. I'm not sure he has the hands or route running ability. I think Dear when healthy could be used like Harvin. I think Jerrion Ealy in the 2019 class could eventually play that role down the road and he is a four or five star guy. I wanted Dan to go after Cam Akers hard so he could potentially play the Harvin role but it didn't happen- which sucks. Mixon seems more like Chris Rainey or Jeff Demps than Harvin to me.

And while I am fine with Dan's play calling I would like to see a little bit more creativity with how we use our personnel. I'd like to see Dontavian Lee at H-Back/FB and some three back formations.

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Originally Posted by louisvilledawg

Disagree completely with just about everything you said. I don't think Mullen has become obsessed with finding the next Percy Harvin. If he would have been obsessed with finding one, you could throw Billy Gonzales in there too since he was the recruiter of Percy Harvin at Florida. Harvin was a generational talent. Was the number 1 or 2 ranked player overall in his class.

As far as kylin hill comparison to harvin, Harvin was 5'11 175 lbs. Kylin Hill is about 30 lbs heavier than Harvin.

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You're free to disagree but I can remember Dan Mullen at least 1,000 times saying that they are looking for players that create mismatches. If the mismatch isn't size then obviously he thought (right or wrong and we now know definitely wrong) that the players they were signing could use their speed and/or elusiveness to get open. It's easy to play Monday morning QB. I completely agree it hasn't worked but to me it is obvious that Mullen had some type of plan for all these small WRs or we wouldn't have 8 of them on the roster.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I don't know about Kylin Hill in the slot. I'm not sure he has the hands or route running ability. I think Dear when healthy could be used like Harvin. I think Jerrion Ealy in the 2019 class could eventually play that role down the road and he is a four or five star guy. I wanted Dan to go after Cam Akers hard so he could potentially play the Harvin role but it didn't happen- which sucks. Mixon seems more like Chris Rainey or Jeff Demps than Harvin to me.

And while I am fine with Dan's play calling I would like to see a little bit more creativity with how we use our personnel. I'd like to see Dontavian Lee at H-Back/FB and some three back formations.

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I don't like Hill in the slot either. I'm also not convinced we could use Dear like Harvin. Harvin was 5'11" 190, Dear is 5'9" 224. By every stretch of the imagination, Dear is a bowling ball and shouldn't be at receiver. We just have too many good running backs and we've gotta find ways to get them on the field, I guess. Dear should be used like a running back at slot, running screens to him with a few blockers ahead of him. Or at H-back. Also, it seems really likely Ealy is gonna head to pro baseball, unfortunately. He could be a stud dual-sport athlete if he would come to MSU.

ETA: We complain about our midget receivers, but Dear is literally 5'9". Haha. Harvin still had generational talent to make mismatches. He could run circles around Dear. Although I could be misremembering how Mullen used Harvin at Florida.

ETA2: Nevermind Todd, I was just misremembering how Harvin was used. I thought he normally lined up in the slot. Just went and watched his college highlights, and that's not the case at all. I take back what I was saying earlier, maybe Dear could be used like that. But I'm gonna keep my incorrect opinion up and all the shame that comes with it. Haha.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

We've all complained about the WRs this year. They've been called the midgets and worse. After Bear, Fred Ross, and the dismissal of Fred Brown our coaches failed to recruit high quality X receivers for this offense. Todd, Couch, and Mitchell were simply a reaction to the realization that we had no size at WR.

Granted I agree that HF, as a former WR coach himself, was on a mission to recruit by any illegal means necessary every WR away from us however there is another factor. I believe that Mullen became obsessed with trying to find the next Percy Harvin.

We all remember Percy Harvin. 5'11 tough, elusive with game breaking speed. Mullen thought Donald Gray, Malik Dear, Deddrick Thomas, Gabe Myles, Keith Mixon were going to be the next PH. For various and sundry reasons it has not happened. Most notably the fact that Percy played surrounded by big time WRs and TEs. However, it looks like Gonzales and Mullen are turning the page. In our recruiting there are no slot receivers. Every WR is an X or a TE body.This bodes well for the future.

While I understand that this year we have a glut of slot WRs I would love to see what Kylin Hill would do from the slot. If anyone on this team has the chance to be the next PH it is KH.

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Nah fam leave Kylin at RB. He's gonna be a great one

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Exactly.

I feel like Dan always tries to spread the ball around and be balanced in all aspects, but when you only have 1 or 2 playmakers at WR, you need to create ways to get them touches. There's no excuse for the lack of involvement of Donald Gray so far this year. No, he's not getting much separation outside at 5'9....so it is our HC/OC's job to find other ways to get him involved, and the same goes with Mixon. Run a damn reverse for goodness sakes, we don't even ever try a basic reverse. Jet sweeps, reverses, how about lining Gray or Mixon up in the wildcat? Something. Nope, not us. How about we create a package where we run some triple option like Fitz ran in HS? Not 10 plays, but like 2, just to confuse the defense and give us a chance at a big play. The lack of creativity & utilizing our best players is frustrating as hell.

And speaking of playmakers....as much as I love the A-Train, Kylin Hill & Nick Gibson are much bigger HomeRun threats at RB. So while I'm fine with Aeris getting the lions share, we need those two touching the ball more to give us a HR threat beyond Fitz's legs.

How about a Diamond set with 2 or all 3 of our stud RB's? Too creative, I know.

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I must spread more reputation around.. It just won't let me ever give you any...

The real truth is that Zach Fararr screwed us. He was a high three star WR out of Tx. Was committed to us then OU offered and he was gone. Crazy thing about it is he is now at MGCC cause Riley wouldn't let him play baseball. So our recruiting WR that year was Nero Nelson AJ, couch and Fararr. We ended up with couch Todd and Mitchell. We will get Nelson back and are adding guirdry and Heath this year. This is why we are in the position we are at WR. Three devolpmental guys

The film on Percy Harvin shows that Florida out a hat on all the defenders in his area. Percy was fast enough that it didn?t take much of a block. But they blocked everybody.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Exactly.

I feel like Dan always tries to spread the ball around and be balanced in all aspects, but when you only have 1 or 2 playmakers at WR, you need to create ways to get them touches. There's no excuse for the lack of involvement of Donald Gray so far this year. No, he's not getting much separation outside at 5'9....so it is our HC/OC's job to find other ways to get him involved, and the same goes with Mixon. Run a damn reverse for goodness sakes, we don't even ever try a basic reverse. Jet sweeps, reverses, how about lining Gray or Mixon up in the wildcat? Something. Nope, not us. How about we create a package where we run some triple option like Fitz ran in HS? Not 10 plays, but like 2, just to confuse the defense and give us a chance at a big play. The lack of creativity & utilizing our best players is frustrating as hell.

And speaking of playmakers....as much as I love the A-Train, Kylin Hill & Nick Gibson are much bigger HomeRun threats at RB. So while I'm fine with Aeris getting the lions share, we need those two touching the ball more to give us a HR threat beyond Fitz's legs.

How about a Diamond set with 2 or all 3 of our stud RB's? Too creative, I know.

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I agree with all of this. Good post. Donald Gray is our Percy Harvin. He needs to get plays called for him like Harvin got. He has a ton of make you miss. We see it on PR/KR. It's a little too late in his career now though to suddenly be getting RB touches but Gray is the dude we should have been using as Percy Lite. Mixon is also that guy. We have enough weapons on offense. We don't call plays tailored to those weapons though. We just call plays. I'd like this to change. I'd like the plays that get called be specifically designed to utilize a specific players skill set. For example the Couch td vs BYU. We should be attempting that over the top bomb pass to Couch 3-4 times a game every game moving forward. Specifically that exact same play. I doubt we see that play called for Couch more than 1-2 times more the entire year though. Saban on the other hand would know that is something he can exploit on defenses with Couch now and he would attempt that exact same play five times a game every game. Another play we should be running the hell out of is the speed option. Fitz with Kylin Hill. Over and over. Defense collapse on Fitz he pitches it to Hill. Defense doesn't collapse on Fitz he fakes the pitch and is ten yards upfield before the defense can even react. This play with Fitz's speed should be getting used ten times a game. Mix in a wide receiver reverse with it and it's a lethal play call. Mix in a pass off the WR reverse and it's a touchdown every time.

Just hand Mixon and Gabe Myles the dang ball and see what happens.
I would jet sweep a team to death and then pull it or pitch it to Aeris half the time. Make the DE pay attention to just another thing.

Or heaven forbid, put Gray in the slot. He isn't catching anything on the outside anyway. let him match up on a lb and see him own the guy.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I agree with all of this. Good post. Donald Gray is our Percy Harvin. He needs to get plays called for him like Harvin got. He has a ton of make you miss. We see it on PR/KR. It's a little too late in his career now though to suddenly be getting RB touches but Gray is the dude we should have been using as Percy Lite. Mixon is also that guy. We have enough weapons on offense. We don't call plays tailored to those weapons though. We just call plays. I'd like this to change. I'd like the plays that get called be specifically designed to utilize a specific players skill set. For example the Couch td vs BYU. We should be attempting that over the top bomb pass to Couch 3-4 times a game every game moving forward. Specifically that exact same play. I doubt we see that play called for Couch more than 1-2 times more the entire year though. Saban on the other hand would know that is something he can exploit on defenses with Couch now and he would attempt that exact same play five times a game every game. Another play we should be running the hell out of is the speed option. Fitz with Kylin Hill. Over and over. Defense collapse on Fitz he pitches it to Hill. Defense doesn't collapse on Fitz he fakes the pitch and is ten yards upfield before the defense can even react. This play with Fitz's speed should be getting used ten times a game. Mix in a wide receiver reverse with it and it's a lethal play call. Mix in a pass off the WR reverse and it's a touchdown every time.

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Or speed option with a passing option. let couch post route that thing. Keeps the safety from crashing the party.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Or speed option with a passing option. let couch post route that thing. Keeps the safety from crashing the party.

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I like this, an rpo/speed option to the side of the field Couch is running a post/streak on. Creativity is fun.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

You're free to disagree but I can remember Dan Mullen at least 1,000 times saying that they are looking for players that create mismatches.

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You do realize that this is what every coach is looking for, right?

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

If the mismatch isn't size then obviously he thought (right or wrong and we now know definitely wrong) that the players they were signing could use their speed and/or elusiveness to get open. It's easy to play Monday morning QB. I completely agree it hasn't worked but to me it is obvious that Mullen had some type of plan for all these small WRs or we wouldn't have 8 of them on the roster.

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We don't have small WR's because that is Mullen's preference. We have them because there are a lot more of them, which means that they are not nearly as hot of a commodity on the recruiting trail and you can find some that have flown under the radar. 6'-3"+ WR's with legit speed, ball skills, etc. are rare and they don't fly under the radar so to sign them, you have to win recruiting battles against other big time schools....Mullen definitely wants those guys, he just hasn't been able to sign them.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Look, we've struggled with recruiting. It's not just WR. We appear to finally have coaches on staff that understand how to recruit better, but there's no excuses for the lazy assed recruiting Hev and Gonzo have engaged in the last couple of years. I also think we struggle to handle juco recruiting, as evidenced by the number of redshirts we use on them and the lack of skill guys we're pulling. Our coaches got comfortable and the recruiting really fell off, even from the mediocre recruiting we were doing. You can survive one weak class, you can't survive two. We've also lacked support staff for recruiting until the last couple of years.

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Don?t you get tired of posting the same crap in every thread. Jeez, have a counterpoint, Cooterpoot.

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Don?t you get tired of posting the same crap in every thread. Jeez, have a counterpoint, Cooterpoot.

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Don't you get tired of trying to be the board's mother?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Don't you get tired of trying to be the board's mother?

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Not yet, but with kids like y’all I do drink more... as any successful Mom should.

Shitty WRs: check
Crappy OL: check
Hev sux: check
Mullen job hunting: check
Check down aren’t cool: check

Got it!! Agreed! Move on...

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Not yet, but with kids like y’all I do drink more... as any successful Mom should.

Shitty WRs: check
Crappy OL: check
Hev sux: check
Mullen job hunting: check
Check down aren’t cool: check

Got it!! Agreed! Move on...

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If you're drinking over that- you're taking it way too seriously. Which one of the coach's wives are you?

The thing that you are glossing over is a lot of people have also talked about:

Shitty WRs- How we have at least two if not more 4 star WR's coming in.
Crappy OL- Someone did a deep analytical post about how good they are doing.
Hev sux- It's very simple- if he improves his recruiting the criticism would stop. Just like Dan fixing special teams has stopped the criticism there. Hev may be on the way to doing that.
Mullen job hunting- Who is talking about that?
Check down aren't cool- They aren't. But who is complaining about it.

Guess what? People are going to talk about SPORTS on a SPORTS message board. This isn't a sunshine pump board. There is a good balance between the good and the bad. If you don't like reading the bad- well tough shit buttercup. Most people call it like we see it good and bad. If you don't agree with something negative come back with some tangible reason why they aren't right- something you rarely if ever do on this board. You suck. Period.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

If you're drinking over that- you're taking it way too seriously. Which one of the coach's wives are you?

The thing that you are glossing over is a lot of people have also talked about:

Shitty WRs- How we have at least two if not more 4 star WR's coming in.
Crappy OL- Someone did a deep analytical post about how good they are doing.
Hev sux- It's very simple- if he improves his recruiting the criticism would stop. Just like Dan fixing special teams has stopped the criticism there. Hev may be on the way to doing that.
Mullen job hunting- Who is talking about that?
Check down aren't cool- They aren't. But who is complaining about it.

Guess what? People are going to talk about SPORTS on a SPORTS message board. This isn't a sunshine pump board. There is a good balance between the good and the bad. If you don't like reading the bad- well tough shit buttercup. Most people call it like we see it good and bad. If you don't agree with something negative come back with some tangible reason why they aren't right- something you rarely if ever do on this board. You suck. Period.

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Ha! Well that dissertation and $5 will get you a cup o’ joe at Dunkin Donuts. Maybe if I’m lucky or don’t have a ****in’ life I’ll get to 20,000 posts like you big boy. Blah, blah, blah... you think you add insight by typing a lot of words when all you say is the obvious anyway. I joined this site mostly due to the Ole Miss investigation not to hear people like you bitch and moan about MSU. I’ve dealt with that for over 40 years. Yawn... Bye.

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Ha! Well that dissertation and $5 will get you a cup o’ joe at Dunkin Donuts. Maybe if I’m lucky or don’t have a ****in’ life I’ll get to 20,000 posts like you big boy. Blah, blah, blah... you think you add insight by typing a lot of words when all you say is the obvious anyway. I joined this site mostly due to the Ole Miss investigation not to hear people like you bitch and moan about MSU. I’ve dealt with that for over 40 years. Yawn... Bye.

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When your resorting to post count smack- you have nothing left. And I guarantee you of the 839 posts that you have 800 are telling people to stop talking about something. I have enough of a life to not try to tell people what to and what not to post.

It's mediocre people like you that have held MSU back for years that are nothing but losers because you know- we "might" say something that might upset the coach and he might leave. Which is incredibly stupid because Dan doesn't love any of his friends to the point where he's giving up 5 million. Not without Megan kicking his ass in the process. Instead of addressing the problem like everyone else in the world. The funny thing is a lot of the criticisms from posters on here- including some from me have actually been addressed and now our football program is better for it. But of course when that change happens Pollyanna's like you just fall in line. Just like if Hevesy was fired tomorrow- I GUARANTEE you your dumb ass would be "Oh, yeah he was bad." just one day after telling everyone to stop talking about it.

And hey- since you are here for the NCAA news why don't you just shut the **** up when it's not a thread that's not about the NCAA and let the people here that want to talk about MSU sports actually talk about it without losers like you telling other posters to "stop talking" about sports.

Now I see why you’re not a Twitter fan... 140 characters is not in your bag, dude. Glad to see the bitchers and whine asses think they are “making a difference” in MSU sports. Carry on... and let us all know of some secret meeting between Cohen and Mullen please. Or that we ran off Stricklin so he could double his salary. (Insert laughing emoji)

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Now I see why you’re not a Twitter fan... 140 characters is not in your bag, dude. Glad to see the bitchers and whine asses think they are “making a difference” in MSU sports. Carry on... and let us all know of some secret meeting between Cohen and Mullen please. Or that we ran off Stricklin so he could double his salary. (Insert laughing emoji)

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Oh I'm on Twitter. I can't help that you are too stupid to handle a couple of paragraphs as a "dissertation". If you don't think that the MSU athletic administration reads this board, sixpack, 247...then I don't know what to tell you. Ask anyone in the athletic office if they read these boards if you wish when you are getting your Hevesy autograph at the women's football camp next year. You can believe what you want and that MSU is this magical fairytale land where the coaches are always "right" if you wish. It's just pretty funny that the people in charge agree with the "bitchers and whine asses" more often than not at the end of the day. I'll trust what my MSU sources say about what goes on behind the scenes and believe them on those matters.

No worries because you'll fall right in line like the dumbass lemming you are so it doesn't really ****ing matter what you believe anyway. It would just be nice if you let the people that know sports talk about it while you're reading about the shitbirds.

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Originally Posted by Hasu Dackds

We don't use any of our WRs like Mullen used Harvin back in 2008. We don't do many zig-zagging speed sweeps. Maybe it's because none of them are fast enough. I happen to believe Mixon could do it, but I digress.

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Mixon and Thomas could do that. They both quick.

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Originally Posted by sandwolf

You do realize that this is what every coach is looking for, right?



We don't have small WR's because that is Mullen's preference. We have them because there are a lot more of them, which means that they are not nearly as hot of a commodity on the recruiting trail and you can find some that have flown under the radar. 6'-3"+ WR's with legit speed, ball skills, etc. are rare and they don't fly under the radar so to sign them, you have to win recruiting battles against other big time schools....Mullen definitely wants those guys, he just hasn't been able to sign them.

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Are you suggesting that we wanted WRs over 6'2 that went to Memphis, USM, La Tech, Troy, UAB, etc. but Mullen lost the recruiting battles. If that is the case then he does need to be fired. No, he wanted the players we have. Sure there are others that slipped through the cracks but the reason why we have 8 WRs under 6'2 is because we had a few and kept recruiting more.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I can't help that you are too stupid to handle a couple of paragraphs as a "dissertation".
like the dumbass lemming you are

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Todd you're melting when you're insulting a middle aged woman on elitedawgs bruh. Clean it up dude that's terrible.