Jalon Jones

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07-20-2017, 09:21 AM
ShotgunDawg

Jalon Jones

Just a heads up, we may be getting a commitment this weekend from Jalon Jones a 2019 QB from St. Frances Academy in Baltimore, MD.

Jalon is currently unranked, but has offers from Alabama, UCLA, Virginia, & Indiana &, after watching his video, my guess is he ends up being a 94 4 star type by signing day in 2019.

He's 6'3" & basically looks like a more refined, cleaner arm action, slightly more agile version of Keytaon Thompson.

He is visiting this weekend & his recruitment could be ending soon. With Key, Mayden, & Jones on campus at the same time, I believe you'd be hard pressed to find a more legit QB situation in America.

Here is his video & remember he's only a sophomore in this video, so project on size & strength. Enjoy!

http://www.hudl.com/profile/4755912/jalon-jones
07-20-2017, 09:29 AM
STATEBALLIN

I can't take this early of a commitment seriously. With that said I hope he signs with us in 2019.
07-20-2017, 09:32 AM
Reason2succeed

So what you're saying is that MSU via Mullen has become the premier destination for dual QBs in the country. That's awesome.
07-20-2017, 09:33 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by STATEBALLIN

I can't take this early of a commitment seriously. With that said I hope he signs with us in 2019.

We've actually had some success in keeping the QBs committed.

Additionally, I think there is a huge desire from dual threat QBs around the country to work with Mullen, & thus a need to reserve your spot early.
07-20-2017, 09:35 AM
Ifyouonlyknew

Kid has more upside than Bohanon or Mayden in this class IMO.
07-20-2017, 09:36 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

So what you're saying is that MSU via Mullen has become the premier destination for dual QBs in the country. That's awesome.

It seems though we've become the premier destination for the high upside, still raw, dual threat QBs in the country.

The already developed, polished, top Elite11 guys are still choosing other schools like Clemson, Auburn, etc..

Mullen is getting his guys now for sure though. I think Mullen actually prefers the slightly rawer guys because they come in more humble, ready to learn, & are more easily redshirted, & eased into the offense.
07-20-2017, 09:37 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Kid has more upside than Bohanon or Mayden in this class IMO.

I agree. Just watching he video, it appears that he can do it all.

I said he's a future 94, high four star, but, if he fills out his frame & refines things a hair, he could be a 5 star.
07-20-2017, 09:39 AM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I think Mullen actually prefers the slightly rawer guys because they come in more humble, ready to learn, & are more easily redshirted, & eased into the offense.

I wouldn't say that. I'm sure Mullen would love a Justin Fields or Emory Jones it's just very hard almost impossible for MSU to beat out the Ohio St, UGA, Bama, & Clemson's of the world for a big time QB. He can rack up the low 4* guys though & develop them into premier stars. IE Keytaon, Mayden, & hopefully Jones.
07-20-2017, 09:41 AM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I agree. Just watching he video, it appears that he can do it all.

I said he's a future 94, high four star, but, if he fills out his frame & refines things a hair, he could be a 5 star.

I think it's going to be hard for him to reach 5* status. He has a funky throwing motion that will get picked apart at these Elite 11 camps. He also doesn't have that WOW arm factor that the recruiting "experts" love to see in shorts & t shirts. The 94 rating looks to be a pretty good ceiling for him.
07-20-2017, 09:46 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I wouldn't say that. I'm sure Mullen would love a Justin Fields or Emory Jones it's just very hard almost impossible for MSU to beat out the Ohio St, UGA, Bama, & Clemson's of the world for a big time QB. He can rack up the low 4* guys though & develop them into premier stars. IE Keytaon, Mayden, & hopefully Jones.

Makes sense.

Keep racking up on the 4 star guys & develop them into NFL QBs.

We can win by doing that.
07-20-2017, 09:48 AM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Makes sense.

Keep racking up on the 4 star guys & develop them into NFL QBs.

We can win by doing that.

No doubt
07-20-2017, 09:51 AM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by STATEBALLIN

I can't take this early of a commitment seriously. With that said I hope he signs with us in 2019.

I think you can take it seriously for QBs.

Mullen has now coached, Alex Smith, Tebow, Cam Newton (albeit briefly), and Dak as far as qbs in the NFL (am I missing one?). None of those except for Cam really seemed like NFL qb talents (although Tebow was obviously seen as extremely talented). Now Mullen has what looks like a SEC star in Fitz.

Not saying we won't lose some QB commitments, but unless they subsequently get an offer from OSU/Meyer, or unless say we have a freshman QB take the lead, there's just aren't a lot of offers out there that are going to be clearly more desirable. for a dual threat QB.
07-20-2017, 09:55 AM
Ari Gold

Our 2019 class is going to be star studded
07-20-2017, 10:03 AM
vv83

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Our 2019 class is going to be star studded

Got an early list of names we feel good on?
07-20-2017, 10:18 AM
Political Hack

The QB film room at state is starting to look like it did at Florida when Mullen was there.
07-20-2017, 10:21 AM
Reason2succeed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnson85

I think you can take it seriously for QBs.

Mullen has now coached, Alex Smith, Tebow, Cam Newton (albeit briefly), and Dak as far as qbs in the NFL (am I missing one?). None of those except for Cam really seemed like NFL qb talents (although Tebow was obviously seen as extremely talented). Now Mullen has what looks like a SEC star in Fitz.

Not saying we won't lose some QB commitments, but unless they subsequently get an offer from OSU/Meyer, or unless say we have a freshman QB take the lead, there's just aren't a lot of offers out there that are going to be clearly more desirable. for a dual threat QB.

Since Mullen left Urban Meyer has Meyer had any QBs be successful in the NFL? I can't think of any.
07-20-2017, 10:35 AM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Since Mullen left Urban Meyer has Meyer had any QBs be successful in the NFL? I can't think of any.

You could pretty much say the same about Meyer QB's when Mullen was with him.
07-20-2017, 10:40 AM
Pollodawg

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Originally Posted by STATEBALLIN

I can't take this early of a commitment seriously. With that said I hope he signs with us in 2019.

This.
07-20-2017, 10:43 AM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

You could pretty much say the same about Meyer QB's when Mullen was with him.

Alex smith has to count for something. He's not elite but still
07-20-2017, 10:50 AM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Alex smith has to count for something. He's not elite but still

He's been the Greg MeElroy, AJ McCarron, Jacob Coker of NFL QB's. A place holder game manager. Which is not a bad thing but you expect more out of a #1 pick. He's never thrown for 4k yards or 25 TD's. He hasn't been bad just a little above avg.
07-20-2017, 10:52 AM
smootness

It's pretty easy to show a kid the recruiting profile of Dak Prescott and Nick Fitzgerald and then just sit back and smile. It sells itself.
07-20-2017, 10:56 AM
smootness

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

He's been the Greg MeElroy, AJ McCarron, Jacob Coker of NFL QB's. A place holder game manager. Which is not a bad thing but you expect more out of a #1 pick. He's never thrown for 4k yards or 25 TD's. He hasn't been bad just a little above avg.

Still successful in the NFL, though. If you are an NFL starter at QB, that is a success, especially considering where some of the top QBs played college:
Aaron Rodgers - Cal
Matt Ryan - BC
Drew Brees - Purdue
Dak - MSU
Ben Roethlisberger - Miami OH
Russell Wilson - NC St originally
Derek Carr - Fresno St
Eli - OM
Rivers - NC St

It's not like the top college programs are producing big-time NFL QB's. No program at all is consistently producing them. So if you produced a starter in the NFL, that's impressive.

ETA: Also, in light of this, it's hilarious that these recruiting services continue to evaluate QBs in the same manner they always have. Does he have a big arm? Does he have a prototype release? Is he tall?

The top QB traits are intelligence, quick decision-making, and accuracy. Those are given far less weight in recruiting than size, arm strength, release, and speed.
07-20-2017, 11:36 AM
Dawgtini

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnson85

I think you can take it seriously for QBs.

Mullen has now coached, Alex Smith (1st Rnd Pick), Tebow (1st Rnd Pick), Cam Newton (albeit briefly) (1st Rnd Pick), and Dak (4th Rd pick and NFL Rookie of the Year) as far as qbs in the NFL.

asdf
07-20-2017, 12:00 PM
BigEasyDawg

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Originally Posted by smootness

Still successful in the NFL, though. If you are an NFL starter at QB, that is a success, especially considering where some of the top QBs played college:

ETA: Also, in light of this, it's hilarious that these recruiting services continue to evaluate QBs in the same manner they always have. Does he have a big arm? Does he have a prototype release? Is he tall?

The top QB traits are intelligence, quick decision-making, and accuracy. Those are given far less weight in recruiting than size, arm strength, release, and speed.

Great point Smoot. QB ratings are about big and flashy. When I think of a 5 star QB, I think of a 6'4'' kid with a big arm and long hair that goes to USC and never becoming a successful NFL QB.
07-20-2017, 12:28 PM
BrunswickDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by smootness

Still successful in the NFL, though. If you are an NFL starter at QB, that is a success, especially considering where some of the top QBs played college:
Aaron Rodgers - Cal
Matt Ryan - BC
Drew Brees - Purdue
Dak - MSU
Ben Roethlisberger - Miami OH
Russell Wilson - NC St originally
Derek Carr - Fresno St
Eli - OM
Rivers - NC St

It's not like the top college programs are producing big-time NFL QB's. No program at all is consistently producing them. So if you produced a starter in the NFL, that's impressive.

ETA: Also, in light of this, it's hilarious that these recruiting services continue to evaluate QBs in the same manner they always have. Does he have a big arm? Does he have a prototype release? Is he tall?

The top QB traits are intelligence, quick decision-making, and accuracy. Those are given far less weight in recruiting than size, arm strength, release, and speed.

No one has really been a QB U since Miami hit the skids. They are the only program I can think of in the past 35 years that at any time consistently turned out NFL talent. Kelly, Testaverde, Kosar, Toretta, Walsh, Erickson, was a pretty good run for 15 or so years. Who else? BYU around that same time with McMahon, Young, and Detmer. USC tried in the early 00s - but were any of those guys top shelf NFL talent?
07-20-2017, 12:32 PM
1bigdawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by smootness

The top QB traits are intelligence, quick decision-making, and accuracy. Those are given far less weight in recruiting than size, arm strength, release, and speed.

Best statement about QBs ever.
07-20-2017, 01:43 PM
Big4Dawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

He's been the Greg MeElroy, AJ McCarron, Jacob Coker of NFL QB's. A place holder game manager. Which is not a bad thing but you expect more out of a #1 pick. He's never thrown for 4k yards or 25 TD's. He hasn't been bad just a little above avg.

Alex is is far from a "place holder". The guy has been a starter in the NFL for the last 8 years. He's far from amazing but he's an average NFL qb.
07-20-2017, 02:21 PM
Dawg-gone-dawgs

He is comparable to Lamar Jackson. Same build at this stage in hs. I think skill wise he is better than LJ was as well.
07-20-2017, 02:33 PM
MetEdDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Just a heads up, we may be getting a commitment this weekend from Jalon Jones a 2019 QB from St. Frances Academy in Baltimore, MD.

Jalon is currently unranked, but has offers from Alabama, UCLA, Virginia, & Indiana &, after watching his video, my guess is he ends up being a 94 4 star type by signing day in 2019.

He's 6'3" & basically looks like a more refined, cleaner arm action, slightly more agile version of Keytaon Thompson.

He is visiting this weekend & his recruitment could be ending soon. With Key, Mayden, & Jones on campus at the same time, I believe you'd be hard pressed to find a more legit QB situation in America.

Here is his video & remember he's only a sophomore in this video, so project on size & strength. Enjoy!

http://www.hudl.com/profile/4755912/jalon-jones

Like that he has a Bama offer, but Bama probably already has their 2019 QB. The brother of the QB they just signed is probably going to Bama in 2019.
07-20-2017, 02:34 PM
smootness

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1bigdawg

Best statement about QBs ever.

I don't necessarily even fault them for it. It's very tough to evaluate decision-making and intelligence at the HS level and project that. And if you are big enough, fast enough, with a good enough arm, it can cover up faults in other areas. Cam Newton is maybe the most dominant college player ever, and while he's not the best decision-maker or the most accurate guy, he is off the charts in all the big tools.

But so many of the smaller, less toolsy, really smart and accurate QBs make it than the big, huge, 'talent'-laden guys.
07-20-2017, 03:54 PM
BB30

Quote:

Originally Posted by smootness

Still successful in the NFL, though. If you are an NFL starter at QB, that is a success, especially considering where some of the top QBs played college:
Aaron Rodgers - Cal
Matt Ryan - BC
Drew Brees - Purdue
Dak - MSU
Ben Roethlisberger - Miami OH
Russell Wilson - NC St originally
Derek Carr - Fresno St
Eli - OM
Rivers - NC St

It's not like the top college programs are producing big-time NFL QB's. No program at all is consistently producing them. So if you produced a starter in the NFL, that's impressive.

ETA: Also, in light of this, it's hilarious that these recruiting services continue to evaluate QBs in the same manner they always have. Does he have a big arm? Does he have a prototype release? Is he tall?

The top QB traits are intelligence, quick decision-making, and accuracy. Those are given far less weight in recruiting than size, arm strength, release, and speed.

Agree 100% I think the problem is those last three are a lot harder to quantify then the first 3. There are a lot of intelligent QBs that struggle because they can't make all of the throws. Quick decision making can be developed over time if the kid is intelligent and atheltic.

I mean you look at Mullen and the QBs we have signed they have all outside of Dak been "prototypical" as far as size and arm strength. Staley and Fitz both have the prototypical body and arm you look for. Tyler Russell was the same way. The only outlier we have signed is Dak as far as not being prototypical.

I think it is a lot harder for scouting companies to spend enough time with the kids to know what they have inside IE leadership ability. All they really get to grade off of is what their coach says about them and what they can do physically.
07-20-2017, 04:09 PM
smootness

Quote:

Originally Posted by BB30

Agree 100% I think the problem is those last three are a lot harder to quantify then the first 3. There are a lot of intelligent QBs that struggle because they can't make all of the throws. Quick decision making can be developed over time if the kid is intelligent and atheltic.

I mean you look at Mullen and the QBs we have signed they have all outside of Dak been "prototypical" as far as size and arm strength. Staley and Fitz both have the prototypical body and arm you look for. Tyler Russell was the same way. The only outlier we have signed is Dak as far as not being prototypical.

I think it is a lot harder for scouting companies to spend enough time with the kids to know what they have inside IE leadership ability. All they really get to grade off of is what their coach says about them and what they can do physically.

Mullen obviously values size and speed, but part of that is the offense we run. He needs a QB to be a weapon on the ground and to absorb a bunch of hits and tackles. QBs in the NFL and in more pro-style offenses need enough size to get hit and get back up, but I don't think size is as important as many evaluators claim.

But I wouldn't call Fitzgerald prototypical. He has the size and raw arm strength, but he doesn't throw like a 'prototypical' QB. He's got a hitch in his windup and doesn't have the quickest release. His success has come more from him being a good fit in the offense than being a good pure QB. I don't see him having NFL success unless he improves in several areas.

Dak was successful initially because he was a good fit for the offense. But he was always extremely smart, he always made good decisions, and he developed the footwork and accuracy by working his butt off. He is big enough but doesn't have the height people look for, he's not super fast, and his arm is good enough but not great. Yet he's a superstar.