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3 freshmen and 4 transfers. And only got production out of 1 of them by the end of the year. Thats a troubling thought for next year knowing that we need several new pieces.
We need to cut bait with 70 percent of the roster as it is so we need a massive haul in the portal
I'm still hot about not getting Taylor in on rotation. Hubbard is bad defensively too, but scoring matters. Our defense was crap vs good sec teams anyway
ETA... I actually think chol is gonna be a player
We need a massive haul without cutting bait. We're losing several already.Quote:
Originally Posted by msugolf
Jans ain't gonna win 20 next year. Hell, we may not even win 20 this year the way it's going. Next year is going to be miserable. Will be reminiscent of some of Rick Rays teams but rest assured we're gonna play great "D" *****
How in the hell can you know anything about next season before the draft and NIL season? Hint - you can't. We don't even have a schedule yetQuote:
Originally Posted by Saltydog
It won?t be that bad. Hubbard, Matthews, Shak(maybe?) and Murphy. Better nucleus than Ray ever had
I think chol could be a player. We'll need to hit on some transfers. Jones is a really good defenderQuote:
Originally Posted by MoreCowbell
Jones, Cam, Shak and Chol are all offensive black holes. It will be more of the same with those on the courtQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Cam will be a 10.5 ppg guy. He's about 9.5 this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyDog
No idea what chol will be. Shak and jones aren't offensive guys, but good defenders. We need Murphy or someone out of the portal to be the 3rd scorer with Hubbard and cam. Obviously we have to keep Hubbard or we're in trouble
Chol is a project. He is 2 years away from contributing. Jones isnt an offensive threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Everyone you put on the floor should be a threat to score in todays game. Wish we could have held on to Quentin Post and Cam Carter. And we desperately need some wings that can step out and hit 3s
I'm ready to see Warren. An Alabama offer tells me he can shoot. Maybe we hit on another freshman guardQuote:
Originally Posted by msugolf
Get a grip. You damn well know what it's going to be like. You know he's not a great recruiter and we're not going to go out in the portal and bring in game changers. Role players, maybe. Game changers, not happening. If he can't get over the hump with the squad we had returning this year you're going to be very disappointed come this time next year.
Are people really getting tired of Jans? Wtf? I mean, the end of this season is disappointing so far, but being in the tourney hunt is awesome compared to the hell we were in with Ray and most of Howland's tenure. We need to keep Jans as long as we can. Dude is a winner, and he knows his weaknesses better than we do.....he'll address them, and he will keep winning. That's what he does. Some of you folks need to get a grip. Being upset and disappointed is one thing, but we don't need to run off a coach like Jans. That would be beyond ignorant.
100% agree!Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Cam ain't a natural shooter but he can score. He had 18 yesterday as our 2nd highest scorer I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyDog
Shak can score. Jones can hit a few. Choi is yet to be determined.
Some teams didn't think Hubbard was all that good out of HS; see how stupid they look now.
Agree being in the hunt every year is something I can get used to. Yeah disappointing finish but UK last second shot and OT to top 15 team. We ain't to shabby. I remember the years watching everyone else talk about their team in March while I reclused back of the line. Nice change.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
While I do expect to be worse next year than this year, with the transfer portal available you never really know from one year to the next until everything settles especially in basketball where 2 or 3 players can totally transform a team. Heck, look at SC. They went from basically the worst team in the SEC last year to contending for the championship this year. Basketball, by far, is the easiest team to flip from one year to the next. We have to do much better in the portal this year though than we did last year. The Andrew Taylor bust this year probably cost us 3 to 4 wins over what we would have had with another consistent scorer. Offense has been given such a huge advantage these days that its more important to have a good offensive guy than a good defensive guy. Jans is supposed to be a defensive specialist but we were still giving up 75+ in most SEC games.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I think he is a good coach, it's the players they just can't shoot!Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Cam is a junk scorer. And there’s nothing wrong with that. But it relies on effort and that can be negated by the other team. Shak doesn’t even look for his shot. He’s disappeared for many many games this year.
We need a wing player that can shoot and help Hubbard out.
As it is opposing defenses are just going to have 4 guys in the paint and let Hubbard have his points because they know nobody else on the floor can beat them.
I don't see anyone advocating to "run off Jans". I just pointed out the obvious that we're going to suck next year and we are. He's much better at the x's and o's than anything we've had since Richard Williams but I, like many others here, question his ability to recruit at a level that will allow us to remain competitive (year in/out) in a league that is quickly turning into one of the best conferences in the NCAA. His ability to recruit, particularly in the portal will make or break him. We don't have unlimited NIL funds. It's going to break the bank to keep Hubbard and we've got massive holes to fill.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
We might be a little worse next year, but not much if we keep Hubbard. He's the majority of our offense right now.
Where you going to get the 25 ppg between Smith and Jeffries.
DJ avgs 6.2 ppg
Jans says Tolu was injured before the AU game. Didn't say how severe. Might explain his total disappearance on "D" during this losing streak. On "O" he is what he is, a big man who prefers a finese game with reverse layups. He just isn't a leaper or rim protector. His man was a beast yesterday and could also hit the three when he popped outside with no one on him.
Ok, then 21-22 ppg......Either way you've got big losses to fill.........Here's what some here don't seem to comprehend and that's how good a defender DJ actually is.......
Jones is probably just as good a defender, so not worried about DJ's role. We actually played well without him...since his return, we're 0-4. I realize this isn't just on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltydog
Tolu is a big hole, but I think we'll find a scorer in the portal. Our money guys have always spent well on MBK.
Agree, getting inside scoring to replace Tolu will be the issue. DJ, while a plus defender, is a liability on offense. He should be fairly easily replaced.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Not going to lie, now that the regular season is over, I'm disappointed. We brought back a veteran team with an All-SEC freshman and we didn't improve our situation one bit. If we lose to LSU we might have gone backwards. Not good.
DING, DING, DING........Be careful GT......Some here will persecute you for saying that this year hasn't been spectacular........
Geez, I think everyone would have to be disappointed at this point. Even those that weren't disappointed before would have to be disappointed after the past 4 games. I mean we just needed one win out of ANY of those 4 to punch our ticket to the big dance, and in fine MSU fashion couldn't do it. Next year is when you could accept a step back in performance because we are going to have to replace so much of the roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by gtowndawg
No one has said this is a great season. No one. The goal at Miss st is to make the tourney, and we are in position to that. In relation to the rest of the country, we have improved slightly. Last season, we were #48 in NET, and right now, we're 42nd. I've said for months now that my goal is to get in and win 1 game... this is a reasonable goal for a team that has flaws. Not sure what you guys were expecting this season...Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltydog
To me, we've really only had one 'good' year in basketball since Stans left and that was the year we were easily in the tourney under Howland and got sent packing in the first round by Liberty. Other than that, the best we've done was last year's play in game if memory serves.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I was expecting to at least be a 7-8 seed with a shot at a 6. Instead, we have to at least win one SEC Tourney game to get in and that might not do it. Lose and we're done. Mirror image to last year. With what we had back and then adding Hubbard we shouldn't be in this spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
This is what I don't understand about anyone's thoughts about this year's team - "with what we had back.."Quote:
Originally Posted by msudawg1200
We had the worst shooting team in the SEC last year. The. Worst. And that's not just our typical "we suck" hyperbole when stats show we aren't that bad. We were statistically the worst when you look at FG%, 3Pt% and FT%. FG % was #302 in the country. It was bad.
We significantly over-achieved last year because of that. We should have never been in the conversation for post season last year - and yet we made it.
This season - our shooting improved tremendously and defense was a little worse (some of that is because of rules/ref emphasis changes beyond us). We went from dead last in the SEC to 6th in FG%, and up to #132 in the country. But where did that get us? It meant we held serve because we OVER achieved so highly last year. Jans is a second year coach, at a school with no real track record of success in the life time of most of today's players - who is on the verge of having this team in the post season his first 2 seasons (which has never happened at MSU).
Taylor had personal issues he couldn't get past and sucked on the court. And this team should've competed for a Sweet 16 spot had we recruited better in the portal.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
There is a reason some players are back for year five and its not always good. Year older, but perhaps not better. Some of these guys hit their ceiling in college. Hard to make NBA, G League or even play overseas.Quote:
Originally Posted by msudawg1200