Quick Thoughts: Today Was Who We Are This Year

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12-26-2016, 02:46 PM
ShotgunDawg

Quick Thoughts: Today Was Who We Are This Year

The MSU team that took the field today was who we were this year. We played 13 games and today's effort was the average of who we are.

Of course, we've shown the potential to be better by playing significantly better against A&M and the Sh$& birds, but that isn't who we are yet. Hopefully that's what we become, but this team has major issues that must addressed this off season if we are to become more consistent next Fall. In a way, today's effort may have been the optimal outcome: a win while playing like absolute trash. Momentum is overrated. Your either good or you are not and the 2016 version of MSU was a consistently bad football team.

- worst defense since the Ron Cooper experiment and one of the worst two defenses of the past 25 years. We've got good JUCOS coming in that should beat some folks out.

- A program that built on seniority and entitlement rather than production and competition. The SR class participation trophy early in the game today was sickening.

- Sub par WR play and pathetic recruiting at that position. Billy G is a good dude, but his recruiting and position group suck.

- OL is inconsistent and has sub par recruiting.

- DL has ZERO pass rushers. Embarrassing at MSU

- As many lowly rated players that the coaches have developed, the 2012 and 2013 recruiting classes appear to be complete whiffs. They are all bad.

- Mind boggling in game coaching decisions. For all the credit Mullen gets for developing players, his in game coaching may be worse.

Basically we are currently the program you watched today and will be again next year unless a new culture emerges in the locker room. The current culture is soft and doesn't compete.

Big off season ahead. We've got a chance to be pretty good, but the this team can't take days off in the off season or they'll continue to take days off in the season. Pretty disappointing that a team that has lost to Kentucky, BYU, and South Alabama couldn't muster more respect for their opponent than they did today. They of all teams should have known that you can't take games off.
12-26-2016, 02:49 PM
Dawgface

In summary......a pretty shitty team.
12-26-2016, 02:51 PM
ShotgunDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawgface

In summary......a pretty shitty team.

Talented team that consistently plays like shit accept sometimes. We are a top 25 composite recruiter. This team underachieved.
12-26-2016, 02:53 PM
I seen it dawg

Country club
12-26-2016, 02:58 PM
ShotgunDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

Country club

Yup and it spreads to the players. It seems that if you've been a part of the program for more than 3 years, you are no longer accountable for poor play, effort, or coaching.
12-26-2016, 03:00 PM
GTHOM

Today was the worst performance our WRs have had under Mullen. Ross had 3 critical drops. They can play but something was bad off today.
12-26-2016, 03:03 PM
Sacrifice

I'm just glad we saved our best game of the year for the Egg Bowl
12-26-2016, 03:05 PM
HoopsDawg

Mullen punting on 4th and 1 from mid-field on our 1st possession changed the tone of the game. I feel 95% certain we convert and then if we go down and score, Miami has to play from behind and can't work the clock as much as they did. The risk/reward for 30 yards of field position is just not what college coaches think it is. Especially against a MAC team with our running game.

Aeris with only 12 carries when he is averaging 5+ per carry is pretty bad.
12-26-2016, 03:12 PM
Goldendawg

I agree with each of point of this lead post. What good is a 3 - 4 defense? I saw no QB pressures, much less on sacks all year, we also couldn't stop the run. Three rushing on at least 5 OL players makes no sense. Let Simon go and hire a sucessful DC (make $ no object - only way it will happen) and let him run his system( a long shot under Dan). We are the lowest in the SEC in paying assistants and it along with our constant turnover of D assistants shows on the field.
12-26-2016, 03:22 PM
Coach007

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

The MSU team that took the field today was who we were this year. We played 13 games and today's effort was the average of who we are.

Of course, we've shown the potential to be better by playing significantly better against A&M and the Sh$& birds, but that isn't who we are yet. Hopefully that's what we become, but this team has major issues that must addressed this off season if we are to become more consistent next Fall. In a way, today's effort may have been the optimal outcome: a win while playing like absolute trash. Momentum is overrated. Your either good or you are not and the 2016 version of MSU was a consistently bad football team.

- worst defense since the Ron Cooper experiment and one of the worst two defenses of the past 25 years. We've got good JUCOS coming in that should beat some folks out.

- A program that built on seniority and entitlement rather than production and competition. The SR class participation trophy early in the game today was sickening.

- Sub par WR play and pathetic recruiting at that position. Billy G is a good dude, but his recruiting and position group suck.

- OL is inconsistent and has sub par recruiting.

- DL has ZERO pass rushers. Embarrassing at MSU

- As many lowly rated players that the coaches have developed, the 2012 and 2013 recruiting classes appear to be complete whiffs. They are all bad.

- Mind boggling in game coaching decisions. For all the credit Mullen gets for developing players, his in game coaching may be worse.

Basically we are currently the program you watched today and will be again next year unless a new culture emerges in the locker room. The current culture is soft and doesn't compete.

Big off season ahead. We've got a chance to be pretty good, but the this team can't take days off in the off season or they'll continue to take days off in the season. Pretty disappointing that a team that has lost to Kentucky, BYU, and South Alabama couldn't muster more respect for their opponent than they did today. They of all teams should have known that you can't take games off.

We have a lot of improvements that need to be made. No one disagrees with that. However, can we at least get some facts and honesty going.

- Billy G and his recruiting/WR play. Why not look at the production under him. Because if you do, you will find we are at an all time high with that. Under Mullen and co, WRs top MSU's recordbook.

- Program built on what? LOL! Be honest. SO starting QB over Williams. Is that seniority over talent? Come on man. Remove the Red Color glasses. You hate is showing.

I could go on... but the last words I will offer this thread.... We won.
12-26-2016, 03:22 PM
BulldogBear

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Mullen punting on 4th and 1 from mid-field on our 1st possession changed the tone of the game. I feel 95% certain we convert and then if we go down and score, Miami has to play from behind and can't work the clock as much as they did. The risk/reward for 30 yards of field position is just not what college coaches think it is. Especially against a MAC team with our running game.

Aeris with only 12 carries when he is averaging 5+ per carry is pretty bad.

Agreed.

One should rarely punt unless inside one's own 40yl. One should almost never punt on the opponents side of the field......once or twice a season in 4th and 2 or less and never on 4th and inches.

Yes, it will cost you a game.. but win you 2-3 you otherwise lost.

In fact it seems some crazy study a few years back said that if you NEVER punted it would account for one more net win per season on average.
12-26-2016, 03:24 PM
Coach007

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Mullen punting on 4th and 1 from mid-field on our 1st possession changed the tone of the game. I feel 95% certain we convert and then if we go down and score, Miami has to play from behind and can't work the clock as much as they did. The risk/reward for 30 yards of field position is just not what college coaches think it is. Especially against a MAC team with our running game.

Aeris with only 12 carries when he is averaging 5+ per carry is pretty bad.

Ok... a few more words.

Let's not act like Mullen was on the field making decisions for Fitz to keep or hand it off.
12-26-2016, 03:28 PM
Dawgology

I'm not sure it across the board talent issues. We have some great talent and phenomenal athletes on the team but many of them are young. Our Upperclassmen have been the one struggling this year. Our coaches have to put the talent in a position to excel and that didn't happen until late this year and, at that point, it was too late. On defense it's scheme and coaching...that should be apparent to even the blind. On offense it was sticking to seniority instead of playing your most talented.

We'll see what next year brings. We have an opportunity to be good since we are graduating a lot of the weight that bogged us down this year.